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Eh? pre what, 85 I think it was, trains were nasty, smelly anf filthy. statoins were dark and often dank, trains were slow and often not on time, and my local mainline station at the time had no working electronic scheduals (the dot matrix board was always broke, and all the monitor screens had severe phosphor burn.
Nowadays, trains are faster, cleaner, and the stations are actually nice to be in. I saw a prorgam on PBS the other day as well, a British guy going around the southern UK and wales after 20 years away, and he was amazed by the trains. Hell, liverpool lime street's got clean glass over head for the first time in over 60 years. and Edge Hill station (one of the worlds first stations, and the one between Liverpools main station, and the station roughly where the Rocket was tested) doesn't look like a bomb site any more.
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Never let facts get in the way of a good opinion! ;)
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Adn heavily subsidized by taxes. Most of which NOW go to...

Want to run that by, again? Read much?

Uh... not exactly. Study up. Think 'Rural electrical coop' for a hint.
Then think how much of your junk mail arrives by FedEx or UPS ... there's a little hint there as to why first class postal rates keep rising.
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What do you want me to read..I lived there. What YOU read in the USA is a bit suspect.
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What I READ about it, I read in the British Press! And they are writing about NOW, not the 'good old days'
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The problem is that no town or city wants any type of power plant to be built in their back yard. I live in a county that has a Nuclear Power Plant. The liberals in this state have been trying to close down that Nuclear Power Plant for the past 20 years. There has not been a new Nuclear Power Plant built in the past 20 years. The reason is because no person in America wants a Nuclear Power plant or a Coal to Oil Conversion Plant to be built in their back yard. There is even a name for it---NIMBY--. Jason
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snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

Read the Washington Post op-ed... not just nimby, now it's BANANAs (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything.
No it's time for people to take action alright. First step: The Fed's should reclaim all territory 12 miles off the beach in the Gulf and drill.
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In New Orleans--the Fed's should not allow anything to be built in those areas that were destroyed during the last hurricane. Someone stated, "Let's rebuild New Orleans in a different part of the state that is ABOVE sea level." I agree with the person that made that statement. However, they will not follow this advice. The end result will be that New Orleans will be destroyed again within the next 10 years by another hurricane. It's kind of like rebuilding a house located next to a large river everytime there is a flood. New Orleans should be declared "Wetlands". The Fed's protect the Wetlands in some areas but they don't seem to care about the fact that New Orleans is a Wetland. Jason
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Well I don't beleive that much. There was a town in Texas what during the early 1900's that fell victim to a storm also. I wish I could remember the name now, Agausta comes to mind. They got nuked by mother nature also but they came back to rebuild but they build something that could almost not be knocked down. New Orleans needs to do the same project but with the engineers and also add to this idea would be to get the envirorment to work as it had sice the 1700's or before. The current system is and was a joke for many years. A better idea would put many people to work and save history in my view. Yes they need to deal with the wetland problem, it is because the screwed this idea up that they had as big a problem as they did last year. Yeah.. a little crazy tonight...
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Oils not the answer. We can drill for a long time to come. What is needed is for the people to wake up and come up with free ideas and more technology to make things more effiencent <Spelling, we were warned in 1973 and we deceided to ingnore the warning COMPLETLY. We are paying for ignorance. We the people have NOTHING to complain about. We the people need to get our asses together<i think the fcc approved that word for us. The energy companies are laughing their way, ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK!
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Let's put some common sense in play:
Yes and No... we were warned in the seventies. But the greens had the ear of the politicians.. while we went on about our lives.
So we rule out evidence that refutes them.. Check out caribou population, check out wildlife in Prudhoe bay.
We should have HAD that site drilling done, at least one producing well- site in every field. We should have HAD industry consortium pulling oil from Colorado Oil shale.
We SHOULD NOT have Power Plants burning natural gas or fuel oil because it's cheaper than coal scrubbing. We SHOULD have had Power plants running on coal gasification, developed again, by industry consortium with research/dev funding supplied by tax breaks, rather than trading pollution credits. You think that wouldnt make much difference? What is China using all that oil, for? What if China actually bought our technology to make coal burn cleaner, wouldnt that actually help us in other areas?
First and foremost: We SHOULD have NEVER stopped building state of the art nukes. As I pointed out elsewhere even the guy who started the anti- nuke lobby NOW says it was a mistake.
Three-Mile Island was a success story, Chernobyl was the warning! But it was demogogue politicians and the press that made them seem the same.
Do you REALLY think energy companies are at fault? Or is it 'WE THE PEOPLE, SAYING "BUILD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR ANYTHING!"
It was "You the People" that keep electing that idiot Kennedy... who ignores or counters everything his nephew promotes because of nimby. - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - Now... THIS is a warning, I am actually being nice here... if I read ONE more 'the people vs big bad corp' themed simple minded opinion on here, I am going to come out with all guns blasting. You think I'm crusty now... you aint seen nothing!
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Yep, we lost a lot of time and wasted a lot of fuel listening to those bark chewers. I doubt we still have the technical expertise to build nuke power plants. We'd most likely have to ask France to help us. You're right about the coal, we have much but not using it much, very sad.
U.S. is in decline, but it didn't have to be. Had we more GWB like administrations in the past we would still be leading the world in every area. More Carter like administrations and we'll be a third world country.
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It may SEEM that way... but the thing is you state that view, more clearly and concisely than most, without a lot of other idiocy, like Nomen's, thrown in.
Thus you seem the target but you're not. The IDEA is the target.

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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:35:49 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

Forget coat to oil - when was the last OIL REFINERY built in the USA???? ***
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Agreeed! The energy companies along with our wonderful White House that will keep the people at bay. They do not want you to succeed. 500 million to an Exxon Mobil exec??? For what, for stealing from the people... Incredibal!
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Just how do you think the 'White House' can control the price of gasoline?
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Price freeze... Anything over the purchased price plus a percentage of profit determide by the governement. Our current crisis calls for it and it includes plently for R&D and building new refinerys.
No tri lateral thing going on here but a bunch of oil exec's that knew what might happen in the future, called forcasting and rather then be a percentage about what could fail, they were a percent below what could fail. 3.09 a gallon here in Wisconsin now. Summer is a couple of months away. We have not hit the peak yet. Something will happen to change things I can tell you that much. Allot of jobs are on the line right now. It is good for the democrates though keeping the gas price high, makes the right look like dummies.
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Had you been watching things in the seventies when President Carter tried to regulate the distribution of motor fuels, you would have seen that attempting to control supply or prices, as did President Nixon only led to shortages. In a free economy the best conservator is price. Price is the only way to reduce the INCREASE in the consumption of oil and its products. What is controlling the price today is increased demand and the commodities market speculators making the money off of that growth in demand.
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The folks in Schuylkill County Pa do not agree with your assessment, they seekm to welcome a coal conversion plant being build there ;)
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The folks in Schuylkill County Pa do not agree with your assessment, they seem to welcome the coal conversion plant being build there ;)
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