Build Coal-to-Oil Conversion Plant Now!

We'll be riding bicycles before long unless the Government invests in the world's largest coal-to-oil conversion plant. Also on the list, oil shale and tar sands conversion plants.

I did not say alcohol production plants...that's a political charade pocked full of false promise. Only hydrocarbon based fuel production yields positive yields of input vs output energy. Alcohol, hydrogen, and every other scheme must be put to rest and buried so we can focus on the real solution for the next 200 years. Beyond 200 years, fusion power hopefully will result in liquid and gas fuel for vehicles (air, land, sea).

We can best wage war on the terrorists and their backer nations by building these plants and becoming 100% self-sufficient on oil. War making in Iraq is not an effective war on terrorists. For those of you who like the Iraq war, you will love the upcoming Iran war and North Korea war. Stay tuned for more wars unless our Government gets some sense and puts the money into conversion plants instead of killing "insurgents" which half the time are ordinary civilian fathers, mothers, and boy and girl children, totally innocent people. Our President should spend less time in church and more time repenting for what misery he has wrought upon innocents in his foolhardy desire to liberate them from dictators and install systems of freedom and liberty... Bless him if only he could perform this miracle right here in the States. (Martha Stewart is a prime example--She shrugged her shoulders and got 2 years in the penitentiary for it because LYING is all it takes for a federal felony--and I bet you thought you had to draw blood or do a stickup to earn prison stripes.)

There is a reason why Congress has not declared this Iraq war. They would not have, will not, and will not ever declare it in the formal way WWII (the last righteous war) was declared. Sure, the Congress voted for the money to wage this President's war -- its to "support the troops". But why would Congress declare a war when the war might go bad as it has; why, because they would have to take the blame. This way, by allowing the President to wage his own personal war, he will get to take all the blame because nobody in Congress will admit to supporting the war as such, only patrioticly supporting the troops by voting for the money. Its perfect political sense and the best way to wage war if it wasn't for all the aluminum boxes coming home filled with other people's dead children. There is zero chance that the President's daughters or any Congressmen's children will come back in a box. Always remember, if a war is not declared, it is illegal under the Constitution as well as international law. Any captured combatent of a nation which wages an illegal war can be treated as "common criminals", just as Vietnam did to our captured soldiers. Its not worth it. Its wrong and immoral.

And its expensive. We can either get our jollies by lashing out at the world and wantonly killing everything that moves, or we can invest the zillion dollars these wars are going to cost us. Invest in conversion plants. Leave the gear in Iraq for the Iraqis to wage their own civil war and it wouldn't suprise me if those murderous savages killed each other off down to the last man and that man will pick up a pistol and blow his own brains out. Bring home the troops tomorrow to save their lives, their health, and the people's money so we can invest it wisely in our future.

Agree with me. That would be real patriotism in action not the phoney kind Washington wreaks of. Still in doubt? Then answer this question: Why don't terrorists bomb Switzerland? Its because their leaders stay out of wars and mind their own business. We are bombed because our Leader noses into wars and wreaks world-wide havoc. The President says we should always be in one war or another and that is contrary to what peace-loving Switzerland thinks. Somebody has got to be wrong and its either Switzerland or the President. Since Switzerland has no terrorist problem, logic tells me Switzerland's in the right and President Bush is in the wrong. The fix is simple. Get rid of Bush and we can get the United States doing like Switzerland does (or more accurately, doesn't). Our terrorist problem will be history (and the oil problem too).

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Nomen Nescio
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Why do terrorists focus on the USA????

You mean, really, you don't have a clue? Well, then you could be president, because he doesn't either.

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<HLS

Is that you Neville Chamberlain???? I thought you died in 1949.

Who was it said if we do not learn from history we are destine to repeat it? Thank goodness we have a President today that is more like Winston Churchill than Jimmy Carter. LOL

mike hunt

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Mike Hunter

Dontcha know... They flew those planes into buildings because we weren't paying enough for their oil..

I would love to get old Nomen sat down and make him read the Bin Laden fatwa's and tell me how that's OUR fault.

Reply to
Backyard Mechanic

Well, do YOU know why they attacked us here on our home turf, and haven't come after most of the western bloc countries?

You don't really think this is about oil, do you?

Reply to
<HLS

{ poorly thought out garbage as usual}

Reply to
Backyard Mechanic

I thought you knew something, I didnt.. guess it's the other way round.

Why should they bother attacking England? More than the token subway attack, I mean... It's already verboten to have caricature pigs on desks in governemnt offices.

And they have... the only difference is in the scale.

Have attacked Germany (Night Club) Spain England

Foiled in France Germany England

But that's just off top of my head...

And of course it's not about oil... that's just a ruse used by the Left to get all the DEEP THINKING US social activists riled.

And by Bin Laden & Co to give the poor Arab kid another excuse if he doesnt think Israel/Palestine is enough.

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Backyard Mechanic

Just a hunch, but if the USA minded their own business and didn't try to put their nose in everybody else's business, it might be a good start.

Get rid of Dubya.

Get out of IRAK (where are those WMD's), and get out of Afghanistan too.

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El Bandito

NIMBY????

Forget the environmentalists. Who would argue about putting 10 of these plants in the barren deserts of Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico! Nobody is going to see it in the middle of the desert. Parts of Nevada were used to test nuclear bombs. So why should it be such a big deal to set up "coal -> Oil -> diesel -> gasoline" plants there?

That would actually be a very clever, very wise move by the American public to accept such a proposal.

On the other hand gas can climb up to $6 for regular and people can naturaly give up their gas guzzlers for turbo diesel Jettas, Hybrids, mass transit and motorcycles.

O2

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twothousandtwoto2007

Good question - probably Syria. You do understand that: (1) They did exist without question (2) The law of the conservation of mass is real

But a true liberal never lets reality stand in the way of their politics. So be honest - do you believe in the law of the conservation of mass?

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

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Bill Putney

Bill, never, I repeat, never, try to inject logic, especially physics, into politics. :-)

It just won't work as politics isn't about what is real and true, it is about what illusions you can create to support your position and accomplish whatever goal you have for whatever reasons you have it.

Two completely different worlds.

Matt

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Matt Whiting

There are several possibilities... (a) Might be in Syria, as you surmise (b) Might even be in Iran...Iraq fought Iran for a long time, but when the US attacked Iraq, they sent many of their fighter planes to Iran. ???? (c) They may still be there in well hidden underground facilities... (d) They may have actually destroyed the mass of the chemical and biological weapons. They were nowhere close to nuclear weapons of their own craft, but it would not have been out of the question that they could have purchased a couple. Camels don't make the best delivery systems, but ??? Hans Blix could have been correct.

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<HLS

Aren't some of these areas located close to aboriginal lands???

I'm grown up and responsible enough to realize that the flip side of NIMBY is NITBY (not in their back yard)...

Zero pollution was a mid 70s pipe dream.... all we can hope for is the cleanest possible environment... and we will all have to "sign the checque"...

Reply to
Jim Warman

If Iran is seriously on the path of nuclear weapons (and I think they are, no matter what they say), then somebody is going to have to either be the best damn diplomat ever, or somebody is going to have to pull the fangs of this beast.

If we do it, we further raise the hatred level against the USA. And this is largely our conflict because we shouldered ourself into it, long long ago.

Maybe we should suggest to Israel that we don't really have a dog in this fight....Israel has the weapons to lay waste to everything in Iran, and all those countries already hate them...Let them protect their own backyard.

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<HLS

While I might not agree with everything the US does, I have to think of that weed patch in my back yard..... with outside (my) intervention, it remains a small weed patch.... I hate it and I deal with it as I can, but it remains.....

If I didn't try anything at all, that small weed patch would soon own my whole yard (which ain't the prettiest yard to begin with). SOMEBODY has to stick their nose in somewhere and somehow.... To the extremists, the US is todays target... simply because they are trying to put the lid back on Pandora's box.... To the extremists, we are all "infidel dogs" and their interpretation of the Koran has marked every Christian, every Buddhist, every Jew.... and even every Scientologist as "expendable".

Still pissed that the Liberals lost, are you?

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Jim Warman

This would be the most likely place since the Baath party has controlled Syria and Iraq for around four decades, and Saddam was a staunch Baathist. Incidentally, the Baath party (mostly Sunni Arabs) still has plans to retake Iraq. The majority Persian Shiite Iraqis have other plans.

That is true. At the end of Gulf War 1, Iran refused to return Saddam's jets. :-)

Reply to
lanman

YA that's a good idea, we need Dimocrats in charge.. You think gas is expensive now, I guess you don't remember Carters effort to control the distribution to cut demand that led to the long gas lines, or Clintons 50C gas tax and his 10% 'carbon tax' proposals designed to save the planet? Obviously you forgot about 9/11

mike hunt

Reply to
Mike Hunter

The gas prices went up beginning in 1973 under Nixon's watch. Nixon, like Bush, was a Republican. The prices went up again at the end of Carter's watch as a result, in part, of the Iran-Iraq war.

I am not suggesting that Carter's energy policy was good at all. Only that gas prices went up under Republicans.

I did not know that 9/11 had anything to do with gas prices. That occurred under a Republican President, following many security mistakes under both Democrats and Republicans.

Jeff

Reply to
Jeff

You are free to believe what ever you chose, no matter how convoluted your logic.

mike hunt

Reply to
Mike Hunter

So....what did he say that wasn't true?

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Hairy

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