When i say flying colours i mean it didnt fail miserably, it was rated
as 3-4* i think. Stil higher than a lot of modern cars. NCAP tests are
up to 40mph IIRC.
Heres a clip from the fifth gear crash test at 70mph. Naturally at that
speed the deceleration is rather drastic and probably fatal but that is
the same in all small cars, and cars are not designed and tested to
70mph anyway - the vast majority of accidents occur at lower speed and
dont involve a solid concrete wall like this vid.
as you can see from the picture the shell has almost zero intrusion
(havign watched the show its clearer, there was about 3inches shift in
the footwell area to one side but no dangerous 'trapping' or cutting
issues) but little other damage. The accelerations inside were rather
on the high side at that speed so it is assumed the driver would have
died, but ive yet to see a crash test that didnt say that and plenty of
peolpe do survive.
You do make an interesting point about loss of steering control due to
wheel contact, im not sure how they worked around that.
I think they could be lol. Mind you, theres a beautiful 76 'vette down
the road. Always wanted one since i was a kid. Cant corner, drinks
fuel, totally excessive but I still LOVE them lol. I shoulda been a
Odd, TV news said 75 highway/ 45 city.
Vehicle is good for 1 or 2 persons. They need a longer version for more
people and to carry a sizable amount of groceries etc. Pricey compared to
other high mpg cars currently on the market, but seems to fare more mpgs.
Maybe the maker is counting on this as a factor to sway the buyer.
Weight, engine displacement, and appropriate horsepower provided for such a
vehicle makes sense to get such mpg. Size (wind resistance) and weight are
the biggest obstacles to mpg, next the controllable lead foot and population
associated "parking lot" city driving commutes.
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They were talking about the Smart currently being sold in Europe. The
ones being sold in the US currently by Zap! (www.zapworld.com) only get
40MPG and cost minimum $25,000 through independent dealerships.
Additionally, DC is making a major mistake because they won't have any
available for sale in the US until 2008. In the meantime, Toyota
Yaris, Nissan Versa, Scion xA and the Honda Fit are flying out the
dealerships (including the Yaris I just bought). A year or so ago I
was super interested in the Smart car but eventually gave up that idea
when I saw the price/mileage change.
In Europe, there is a 4 seat model also. If you've ever been to Rome or
Siena, or many other places in Europe, you'd understand why the 2 seat is so
popular. I mention Siena, because I was walking down the street when the
doors to a residence building open up and the gentleman drove his car out.
Yes, it was parked in the vestibule of his house. Nearest parking would
have been quite a distance away. Anything larger would not have fit.
As for sizable amount of groceries, it may be handy here, not as much there.
We tend to buy in large quantities for the week or month, they tend to buy
for the next day or two.
It will be interesting to see how well they sell here as it does call for
some lifestyle adjustments. As I said, if I was in a large city, I'd have
one, but in the suburbs, much less likely.
Yes, I noticed that. Europeans seems to use cars for transporting people
only. Busses and trains, more people. Trucks, large and small, seem to
move everything else.
Been there (Rome, Gaeta, Marseilles, Toulon, Palma de Mallorca, Cannes,
Antalya, Naples, Livorno, and many I don't remember that well) on
liberty/furlough, Navy recently retired here. Lot of em just walk to the
local market for daily foodstuffs if they live in town. Spanish seem the
most likely to walk in western Europe.
Live in rural S. central Texas. Need a vehicle to go into some town for
groceries etc. that is friendly on gas. Local grocer is very pricey
compared to big supermarkets selling same size/brand foodstuffs. Local Ace
hardware (franchise) is similar in their prices. Unless its a lotta items
or a few expensive ones, its not worth driving elsewhere. My Blazer S-10 is
okay for comfort, but my VW wagon is the one I usually use.
My opinion regarding very small engine displacement vehicles is that they
should be given a break regarding pollution standards here in U.S. Imported
or not. Not saying they should be immune entirely, just less stringent.
Maybe pollutants per mile standard, say around 1.8L or smaller engine?
What I drove to work today is probably less safe than a Smart. I look both
ways before going through a green light.
I could fit four of these in my two-car garage! I could keep a mini-van or
sedan, get two Smarts and I'd be upgraded a three-car garage!
But the Yaris and Fit are noticeably cheaper. I don't see many people
giving up the flexibility of something larger (Yaris, Fit, Cobalt LS, Focus)
to get 40mpg, unless gas prices go way up.
If it was the same price as a Yaris, I'd consider it. I'd have to believe
it was reliable, though.
If half-price, half-size parking spots were available downtown for the Smart
or other mini-cars, that might help induce some people to purchase it.
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If I were thinking of a Smart car (which I'm not) I'd just as soon have an
ancient BMW Isetta and have NO front protection. There is one benefit to a
Smart car, though, since you wouldn't have to buy a casket to put your body
into after a crash.
If all cars were Smart size, it might make sense, but not with so many
Excursions, Denalis, Hummers etc on the road, not to mention big rigs.
strange, i never noticed any big rigs in europe. maybe they use blimps
or something to carry all those standardized international shipping
containers about? i know they don't need to transport construction
materials because they don't live in buildings, just holes in the
ground. it's damned primitive over there man. don't go.
yeah, we europeans never have had a big vehicle in our lives.
Heck, I went and looked up the same vehicles on the europNCAP rating,
and on safercar.gov - Every vehicle that was on both scored much
higher in the US ratings than the EU ones - maybe EU cars are safer,
or at least rated more stringently.So, just as a supposition, if a
vehicle was that dangerous, it wouldn't be allowed in the EU, and oh,
thats where the SMARTs been for many years now.
I saw a bunch of these earlier this year in Germany. They're smaller
than you can imagine. Take a MINI and chop off a third of it. They
also are higher and narrower in profile. I think you might get a paper
grocery bag in the trunk area width-wise. I think they're only good
for driving around cities; I'd be afraid of driving over 50 MPH in one
I read in a auto magazine about DaimlerChrysler "BLUE TECH" engines that are
a hybrid diesel that should get some impressive MPG's when they hit the us
shores pretty soon. Daimler has been selling them in Europe for some time
now and is about to start using these high tech motors in U.S. cars soon. I
like my Honda but these new DC sound mighty impressive.
Here in Canada many Smarts sell to carry advertising, it gets noticed
As for an urban car it would sell much better if 50% of the current
price. Of course it is for two people and their brief cases; not
suitable for two people to grocery shop of go playing golf.
Here the much more practical and lower cost Toyota Yaris is running the
Smart off the road.
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