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Yeah, thanks to the diety of your choice for that!
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B> wrote:>>Bill wrote:

Is that a low cal god?
Cheers,
Indrek Aavisto
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:00:34 -0400, "Indrek Aavisto"

No, that's a politically correct god, and I can't believe I said that. I must be mellowing in my old age.
Bill
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Miles Monroe wrote:

I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml
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Good one, Voyager. I missed that. These left wing idiots just don't get it. They can't see the 'Change' happening right before their eyes. We're getting CHANGE, alright! From Democracy to Socialism to Anarchy to Rebellion to chaos.

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631grant wrote:

Even though I am still registered Republican, I don't think either party gets it nor has for some time now. I'm very close to voting for a 3rd or 4th party next time around. I wasn't happy with ANY of the candidates fielded this last election.
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I too would gladly vote for a third choice if they had a chance of beating the Democratic Fascist party.

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I've voted for the third parties often. If enough people did, the other two would really take notice and perhaps get their stuff together.
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This is like looking in a mirror...
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Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.
But I was talking about business deregulation in general, because it isn't just banks that are failing. You've heard about the auto industry, yes?
I hate to burst your bubble but deregulation began in earnest under Reagan. It was a Milton Freedman nutjob fantasy and it doesn't work. Freedman believed the market place is a natural force like wind, air, and fire and Reagan and you Republicans are too stupid to realize how stupid that sounds.
You guys are so pathetic in your desperate attempts to pin this crisis on liberals. It's a relief nobody takes you boneheads seriously anymore.
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It is a natureal force. In a weather sense this is just an example of why we build houses instead of living in a tent. In a financial sense the other shoe has to fall and all the smug folks who want cheap imports and no stinking factory jobs are going to find out where the money ultimately comes from to pay their salaries. That part of the cycle is what is hitting now. I'm waiting for either California or New York to go bankrup next.
BTW, if you want to point a finger use the mirror. Both sides of the aisle are complicit in the mess.
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When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they did, they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their executives only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They had no clue as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick Wagoneer (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would give the people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade, SUV's, and pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas prices, this idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can afford to buy or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are calling 'us' stupid.

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You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the gutter with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility with your points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM vehicles that got over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that number compares to the competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas mileage is not among the list of bad moves. But then again - it does feel good to type "gas guzzlers", dosen't it?
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I was wondering when you would jump in, Mike. I know about GM with their claims of all their 30 mpg cars but 30 mpg really doesn't cut it in the land of $4 a gallon gas, which is where we will end up again. The HHR is a great little car and we have one in our family but it SHOULD be getting 40 mpg. I just don't believe 30 is the magic number we'll be looking for. Personal opinion.

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As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50 mpg is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a third world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since Europe is more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets 30+ mpg. For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage is sick.

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40-50 isn't really the norm in Europe, is it? I too believe that a car like the Cobalt should be getting better mileage. It does not seem unreasonable to me to expect to see upper 30's out of that size car these days - without going to steps like putting a diesel in it.
That said, my daughter recently replaced an 00 Sunfire with an 05 or 06 Mazda 3. Granted, you don't mention Japanese cars above, but they are generally touted as being superior to GM in every respect, and certainly in the mileage department. (Not so, but that's what you hear). Her in city mileage dropped significantly (an impact to her because she lives in the city and does a large amount of city driving), and her highway mileage dropped some. Not as noticeable a drop as the city mileage, but still a drop.
The HHR is a design nightmare for mileage figures. I can see where that would struggle to attain the mileage that a more aerodynamic design should achieve, but its city mileage could be better, I believe.
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Oh, 50 mpg in Europe is quite normal now, BUT remember that 1/2 of the cars are diesels! I'm retired now for 3 years but before that I spent TOO much time in Europe on business and routinely rented MB, Fords, and Peugeots that always gave me well over 50 mpg with as many as 4 people in them. Most of the mileage was what I would term suburban driving in town or on the Autobahn at 100 mph. The cars had surprising acceleration and passing ability too.

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631grant wrote:

What Sedona are you talking about? Certainly not the Kia. I had one for a rental and it couldn't get 18 MPG.
http://www.mpgfacts.com/?did 6&year 09
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Ooops. Senility strikes again! I have a Kia Sedona AND a Hyundai Sonata and continually get the two names confused. Of course, I meant the Sonata getting 30+. Just got 32 on a 1900 mile trip. Incidentally, someone posted that they had a European Sedona (Kia) with a diesel and were getting over 30 mpg! Why can't that be us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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631grant wrote:

Ah, that makes much more sense!
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