86 jeep cherokee laredo

My sister recommended Quality Auto Service to me. I had met the owner's wife but not him one time two years ago. My nephews hang out with their son. Because of this I gave the owner the benefit of every doubt. Here's my story... Oct 21-Made appt. for following Monday to repair headlight tailight and diagnostic on oil leakage, engine missing.

Oct.24-Brought car in 8a.m. I Sugested tune-up as well. Owner said cars in this age range rarely required tune-up but he would look car over for repairs. I did not hear from repair shop until late Tuesday the 25th in response to my call to them about the condition of my car. Oct 25th- Owner said plug wires were arcing indicating need for tune-up, car needed valve cover gasket, oil pan gasket and rear seal repaired. He said the car was dirty with oil making it hard to diagnose and he was very busy with other customers. He asked me for the keys to the back hatch to repair the tailight. He said my car would be finished the following day. Oct 26th- Car not done Oct. 27th- Owner said I caught him at a really bad time when I called- that he was having problems with a customer-car still not ready-but since he had access to the cluch because of other repairs I should let him replace it as he felt I had 3-6 months left on it. He said he would charge only for the parts as the labor had already been done in the course of the other repairs. I gave him permission to do the clutch. Oct. 28th- Owner called saying I could pick up my car. I paid 945.00 for headlight , tailight,clutch, rear bearing seal, valve cover gasket, and oil pan gasket. I wrote check and drove car away from shop noticing the clutch had much less resistance, the engine was still missing. I went to put gas in the car thinking that the missing was caused by the fuel injection system which sometimes occured with this car if I used cheap gas or was low on gas. While drving to the gas station the car stalled out three times while I was driving. As I pulled into the station about one mile away, a man said your car is smoking. I turned off the ignition and we looked under the hood.We found fluid spewing out from the valve cover gasket area. The man told me to get the car right back to the repair shop- which I did. The owner and technician looked at my car and the owner admitted to forgetting to do my tune-up. In addition he told me that his technician had recommended that he replace the valve cover and not just the gasket-he said he was just trying to save me some money. He said he would charge me only for tune-up parts and the valve cover. I told him the car souded different to me-like tapping noises that weren't there before-especially upon acceleration. He said that the sounds were probably there all along and I couldn't hear them because there was so much sludge in my oil. He also mentioned that I might be acutely sensitive to sound as some customers are directly after repair work. At this point, the owner's technician walked over and reminded the owner that he had found metal shavings in my oil pan. I asked what does that mean- and was told it could posssibly be a rod or a bearing. I said those noises weren' ever there before please take a closer look at the car. Oct. 31- Owner called and said car was ready. I paid 171.00 and drove car to my daughter's house two miles away. The tapping nises were still there, but there was no missing in the engine. It was late in the day and I did not take the car right back to the shop. I would take it in the morning. November 1- On the way to the shop I noticed that the alternator gauge on the dashboard was reading very low-8-it normally reads at 12-13. The owner was amazed that there something else wrong with the car as he felt he had pretty much fixed everything. Lter that day I got a call from the technician telling me that the alternator was bad. I asked him about the engine tapping. He said I had one week to two years on that engine because of the metal shavings he found in the oil pan. He also said there was no way of predicting when the engine would seize but it most certainly would. I asked about engine rebuilding and discussed maybe trading it in. The tech said he could charge it up and I could take it to a dealer and not mention the tapping. I told him I would feel terrible if the engine blew on some unsuspecting buyer.I was scared that the engine would go without warning. I was thinking what would happen if I had my grandchildren in the car or my mother. I asked how much would it cost to rebuild it. He said a remanufactured engine was best and that he would give me a good deal because some of the work that goes into engine replacement had already been done. He offered to call around to find me the best deal possible. Later that morning he called me and said the engine would be around 1700.00 dollars, the altnator around 200.00 and total cost to me would be 2300.00. I asked if th engine was warrantied-he said that the engine was warrantied for 75,000 miles. I thought that seemed reasonable to me and asked him what a remanufactured engine actually was. He told me that if all a shop does is remanufacture engines than it is better to buy one of those than taking the engine to a machine shop. He said if anything is wrong with a remanufactured engine it would malfunction within the first 15,000 miles. I thought alright I will have a nearly new car for around 3500.00. I had already spent 1200.00-the tech said I had so much in the car already that I might as well do it. I said ok. He said the engine would be there in two days and that he would be done on Friday. Nov.2- I called the shop to find out what the warrany conditions were- I asked to see a copy of the warranty. The tech told me he didn't have one that it came in the box with the engine. I asked where the engine was purchased and offered to tract the warranty by phone or online. He told me he wasn't sure-maybe checker auto. He got nasty with me and told me that the engine had already been ordered and I would see the warranty when it arrived. I didn't want to back out of the deal and told him so. I also said I would call checker myself and if he bought it somewhere else to let me know. I didn't want to argue with him. I called checker auto and spoke with wayne who told me he just got off the phone with the tech, that he was pretty upset because I wanted warranty information. He told me he would look up the invoice and tell me what he bought and what the warranty was. I asked him what the price of the engine was and he said he could not tell me how much the shop paid for it but that they always do good work and I was in good hands. He thought the warranty was for 3 years and unlimited miles, but he would call me back. I went to the shop to lock the car and the owner came out to greet me. He said I usually charge 3000.00 for engine replacement and that I was getting a good deal. I told him I spoke to checker auto and was not getting the warranty that was promised to me. He then said he would take care of me and that I was getting a really good deal. Nov. 4th- I called the shop to find out if my car was ready and found out that the engine hadn't arrived yet. The owner told me it would be delivered that day and my car would be ready Saturday or Monday. Nov 7th- I called to find out if my car was ready yet. The owner told me it would be ready Tuesday. Nov 8- I called the shop and found out my car was still not ready- the tech's wife had just had a baby and that my car would be done by Friday. Nov 11-The owner called me telling me my car was ready. I said I would pick it up on Saturday. Nov. 12- I came to pick up the car and read the warranty which was written on the invoice. It was a shop warranty on the engine written for 3 years or 36,000 miles. I argued with the owner and the tech because I was told I bought a 75,00 mile warranty and the owner said he would take care of me. They told me the warranty I was talking about came only with a new engine which the tech angrily pointed out to me using a poster on the wall. He threatened to yank out the engine right now but I was ging to pay for a different engine-the new one. I yelled back at him arguing that I was not confused and now I understood why he was so angry when I had a simple warranty question the week before. I told the owner to remove his employee away from me at which point he came toward me still iiinsisting that I misunderstood the warranty provisions. I told my son-in-law who was behind me to call the police. He warned the tech to stand back the tech calmed down. I began to write on the invoice that I was promised a

75,000 mile warranty. The tech told me I couldn't do that. I did it anyway and paid the bill 2200.00 with a check. I was scared and angry and I just wanted to get out of there. I asked the owner to not let the tech do any work on my car. Nov. 16th- I was driving the car back from my daughter's house when I rounded a corner and heard the car screech. It then died . I could not get it to start again. Some passing motorists helped me move the car to a side street. The next morning I towed the car back to the shop. Nov. 18th-I was told the car needed a new clutch slave cylinder and a power steering pump bracket. The screeching was caused by the missing power steering pump bracket and the clutch would not engage becuse there was no hydraulic fluid in the cylinder. I said fix it. The said that I should call the Jeep dealer for the bracket and that I would just have to put up with the screeching until it came in. My warranty clearly states that any odd noses that are not addressed will void the warranty. I told him I would find the part and to fix the slave cylinder. He called me later that day to tell me the car was ddone. I paid 171.00 and left with the car. I ordered the part from Jeep and was told it was a special part from Milwaukee and that it would be in the following Friday. Nov.21- The screeching got really loud and it seemed the whole front end was shaking as I drove down Kipling Ave. I was near the Jeep dealer where I ordered the part and brought it in to find out what was going on. I had only driven a few blocks and was afraid to drive it any farther. Jeep said the serpentine belt was almost ready to fall off and that was what caused the screeching noise. They also said the power steering pump was leaking and that the transfer case was leaking. I paid 96.00 and went to work. Nov. 29-The warranty required an oil change at 300-500 miles. I honored it at Jiffy Lube because I was afraid to go back to the shop. Dec. 1-- The headlight and tailight that were supposed to be fixed are both out again. What should I do-What would you do?
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kwbacb
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sorry to hear about your problems... this shop sounds like the tech is a moron who shouldnt be handling big jobs... they need to fix the lights for free....also no disrespect but you shouldnt have spent over 3k on a 1000 car

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J. Sprauer

Hi,

Thank-you for confirming the tech is a moron. I wonder if work on my car should have stopped when the tech found metal shavings in the oil pan. Why would they put the car back together again? Don't you think they should have called me when they found them?

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kwbacb

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Jim Gemmill

I like engines built by a local machine shop with a good reputation, if such exists in your area. With a "factory rebuilt" engine, you never know when you are getting crank journals 0.040" under, cylinders 0.40" over, and excessive corrosion in the coolant passages. With a locally rebuilt engine, you at least have your original block, and someone in your own state who will care about his reputation.

Metal shavings in the oil pan is a hard call. It could mean normal wear, accumulated over time and not much to worry about. It could mean the appearance of a new problem. It sounds as if the technician is a little "green" with respect to automotive repairs, and even more so dealing with customers. The owner is clueless too. They really should have called you, when the pan was off, if they were concerned about the shavings. Some people have bad days, but it sounds as if these people are only used to doing small jobs. It takes some expertise to diagnose and repair an oil leak, and these people just don't have it.

I put way more money than this into a 1989 Suburban that looks like crap, but I had good people do the work and I feel that I would up with something worth having. In your case I don't know. Maybe take the car to another shop with a list of your concerns. Have them double check everything that has been done. Maybe see a lawyer.

Earle

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Earle Horton

You sir need a lawyer.

The shops around here think they can get away with freakin' anything, they need to be hung out to dry 'Publicly'.

You paid way too much to have a simple valve cover gasket leak fixed. I will bet that was all that was wrong besides the tune up.

You met the ultimate sleaze artists unfortunately.

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail >
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Mike Romain

If it was accumulated metal * wear dust* that was on the drain plug, some of that is normal. If it was shavings then there is or soon will be a new noise. I'd document what they say and when because the story may change.

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TwoTracker

Hi Everyone,

Thank-you to everyone who responded to my post. I am feeling much better right now-Tom Martino "The Troubleshooter" here in Colorado had one of his forum troubleshooters reply to this exact post with the following

posted December 03, 2005 11:41 AM

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I understand your frustration, particularly on the engine warranty.

However, those mid-late 80s Jeep products were notoriously unreliable with horrific repair rates, and yours is now 17 years old. It sounds like a lot of different things all started to go south at once... that's the biggest frustration and is not the shop's fault.

Hindsight does you no good, and I'm sure you're frustrated by putting so much $$ into a vehicle.

3 yr/36k is all the warranty I got on my new Passat, so although you thought you were promised more, it is not uncommon any more for even new vehicle warranties not to be that generous.

Other than the misrepresentation on the vehicle warranty (which sounds more like was made out of ignorance than fraud), most of this scenario just sounds like rotten luck"

I don't feel crazy anymore. I am a middle-aged lady with no autotech skills and some basic knowlege about maintenance of vehicles. I drive alot, 100 miles a day or more--I own a cleaning business. I do know every sound and vibration in my old jeep. With the promise of a 75,000 mile warranty and a 4 cylinder remanufactured engine, I believed that I wouuld have a reliable vehicle for work for the next 4 or 5 years. I love the old jeeep. It has been in our family for 13 years-the body and interior are in great condition. I went to Walgreen's (5 Blocks) last evening and there is oil falling out of the car. I can't believe it. I guess I am going to Jiffy Lube as soon as they open 12/7/05. Again I thank you all for your supportive comments. Because of them, in spite of everything, I feel bolstered enough to ask for restitution. Cynthia Bingham Arvada Colorado snipped-for-privacy@aol.com

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kwbacb

I know lots of people who are still driving these "notoriously unreliable" mid-late 80s Jeep products, some paying little or no attention to maintenance. I disagree with the poster who says that most of your problems are bad luck. It sounds more like incompetent mechanics to me. It sure as heck should not be leaking oil now, after all the work you had done on it. When I pay money to have an engine replaced, I expect not to have to worry about engine-related issues for a long time.

Just so you know, there are several reliable engine rebuilding businesses in the Denver area. That is where I would have taken the vehicle, as soon as I expected that a rebuild was needed.

You should, in theory, be able to drive this vehicle 100 miles a day indefinitely, but that is assuming that you find a good mechanic to help you with all the inevitable things that are going to happen. Keep looking. If you trust the folks at your local Jiffy Lube, maybe that is a good place to start. Who do they recommend for future repairs?

Earle

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Earle Horton

Our 88 Cherokee has over 310K km on it and it still runs great. We have only had to do 'normal' maintenance on it and it still only uses a quart of oil between changes...

I am sorry to say, but you got took bad in my opinion.

I really think it would be worth while to talk to a lawyer....

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: N>

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Mike Romain

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L.W.( ßill ) Hughes III

L.W. --

Great website but I am a little confused about the reply you sent.

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kwbacb

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He thinks you are one. It's an interesting theory, but I have known enough unscrupulous, incompetent and downright malignant auto repair persons, some of them with established businesses, to think that you might be sincere.

Earle

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Earle Horton

Hi Earle,

Last year when I was constantly throwing serpentine belts members on this board were wonderful in helping me understand why I had this problem. That's why I came back here. What I put on the board is the way and sequence in which each set of repairs occured. I am who I say I am and what happened is exactly the auto repair experience I had. Again I thank you and all the others for the comments and information you have given me. This is a great place to learn about cars. P.S. Does the word "TROLL" when used in conjunction with posts on this discussion board, carry any special significance beyond those little toys with the funny hair I once collected; is it in any way connected to an unearthly entity dwelling under a bridge somewhere???

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kwbacb

In this case he meant you were fishing for arguments or foolishness or 'Trolling'.

Some folks do that for some kind of kick or on purpose to make one person look foolish. You will see 'hook, line and sinker' used too.... ;-)

Trolls don't normally come back to ask about it if they get caught out either.

I personally think you should have come here first before getting it fixed. There are lots of good mechanics on this group and maybe a cheap easy fix or two could have kept you going.

Especially folks would have mentioned if you have the engine out, change the clutch while it's open and 'most' oil leaks in the engines are just the valve cover....

Your story is almost just too bad to be believed. You were taken to the cleaners.... :-(

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail >
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Mike Romain

Hi Mike,

I will come here before I go to any repair shop, from now on. I stuck with this guy because believe it or not, everyone says he does great work (checker auto, the guys at jiffy lube send him repairs they can't do) and my sister told me that I am not a mechanic, and shouldn't question such an able mechanic. He has always done well for her. After reading these posts I do think I deserve a refund of some kind- but first I will go back to the owner and see if we can come to some agreement. In my own business, I do and have made mistakes. I was grateful to have the opportunity to correct them. Maybe the shop owner will feel the same way.

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kwbacb

Let us know what happens.

Carl

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Carl Saiyed

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Earle

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Earle Horton

So you had an oil leak in the original engine. They screwed up the gaskets on it and it leaked all over the place. Then the engine started knocking? Sounds like the ruined an otherwise good engine. Then you had them install another engine? And they forgot to properly install the belt brackets? Sounds like the reman engine wasn't quite the same and they half-assed the install of the new one.

You need to talk to a lawyer about suing them for having wrecked the original engine along with potentially having ruined this new one. Be prepared with THAT information BEFORE you go back to the shop. Make it clear what dollar amount you want to "go away". Make it clear it'll be that amount multiplied by a lot more if you have to file the a suit against the shop. Meanwhile, have someone else take a close look at the work that was done and make sure it's not going to get worse. Take the money you get from the shop and handle anything else that needs to be done to the engine. Then sell the vehicle.

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wkearney99

Sorry to barge in so late on this thread.

What is the engine (displacement)? The Laredo 86 came with a 2.8L and was 'externally balanced'. Most re-mans are internally balanced (for Chevy S-10, etc.) and there are important 'changes' needed to swap in the std. GM/Chevy engine. If not done then there can be some serious 'trouble' down the line.

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Rich Hampel

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