Corsa C Turbo Conversion

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Own a 2003 1.8 SRi and noticed Cossvaux
http://cossvaux.co.uk/store/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=71  offer a
230 BHP turbo conversion kit for £3900. This seems a massive increase (103
BHP) for that kind of money and puts the soon to be released 1.6 turbo VXR
to shame.

Anyone tell me if the present suspension/gearbox/clutch/brakes could cope
with all the extra power though?
Is it true that 200 BHP is about the limit for fwd cars?

Anyone know of anyone who's had this kind of work done?

OK, the Corsa might not be to everyones taste but but on a decent bodykit
and I personally think it IS a potentially good looking motor!

Saw a Turbo'd Corsa C 2.0 in this months Max Power the owner reckoned it was
putting out 237BHP and 0 to 60 in 5.0 seconds - fine looking modification
job too, the donor car was a shitty little 1.0 Breeze or something like
that, guy reckoned the whole mod job cost just over £3k with the car
included.

Any sensible comments appreciated!





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rant as follows

5.0 seconds?

I *very* much doubt that.

6, possibly.

A 240 bhp Corsa just wouldn't have the poke, or the traction to do a 5.0 sec
0-60.

There are Porsche 911's out there which weigh not much more than a Corsa,
have 231 bhp, and don't do 0-60 in 5.0. Like, um, mine.


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Pete M
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Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2
Ford Capri (ressurection started)

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Damn i didnt know i had a lil brother :)


best advise i can give you, sell the C and buy a Corsa B. find one arse
ended cav/cally turbo for 6-800 quid for a good runner sell the bits you
dont need to buy some tasties like suspension and voila an instant 200 bhp
corsa. a few tweaks here and there and your seeing 280 bhp quite easily with
more to come depending on pocket depth.

reason i say get the corsa B is for ease of conversion all the conversion
parts can be had off the shelf  and you can fit a let in a weekend


HTH

Rob
Regional Co-ord
www.MIGWEB.co.uk

need any more advice get as at the above



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Sir, you should get out more and have the correct wheels driven...

Justin.



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But i bet with a nice chip and bit of effort the VXR will make that, and
have a drivetrain/tranny to cope.


My mate has the same as you, but 04 reg, and it wheelspins insanely as it
is.  With 230bhp i'd imagine 1st and 2nd gear would be about unusable with
any anger at all...  Also, I think it would all need uprating, badly.


They can look ok, think they need to be subtler tho, no bodykit, Irmscher
splitter and skirts, 17's or 18's, blacked out, Irmscher twin round back
box.


I'd guess it cost more than that, and never does 60 in 5.0, thats too quick
for a FWD, and moreso for a Corsa.


--
Dan



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You honestly trust Vauxhall to give us a decent turbo'd lump after their
last pig eared attempt the Z20LET?



I presume this is where the bulk of the 4k is involved  hence get a B more
availability both new and secondhand
200 bhp is more than ample in a FWD motor especially with a blower attached
(thinks back to the RST i had and shudders)



it really shouldnt do that my cav with 150 horse spins 1st as any motor can
and i only get a slight chirp in second  any crap rubber dodgy suspension
gen?




Nova Turbo  far better looking IMHO who cares what other people think its
your car your going to have to live with it



ah Max Power funny i've raced a few big power max power cars always claiming
more horses than mine and never failed to come out on top
must be the weight of all the fibre glass/stereos/stick on tat :)




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Rob wrote:

GM own Vauxhall.

GM own Saab.

Saab do turbocharging very very well.


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news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk says...

And Saab do FWD very well.
GM also own Scoobydoo too (in part atleast), and they aren't bad at
playing with snailshells.
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Sleeker GT Phwoar wrote:


Not too bad, but saab / volvo are the masters of reliable turbomotors.


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news@timkemp.karoo.co.uk says...

Oh yes, agreed, except apart from the heads, most Saab turbo motors from
now on, will be either gm 4 pots, gm 6 pots, or scooby flat 4's. The
good old Camchained Saab B series is dead, the latest Saabs use a GM
cambelt based engine.
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Sleeker GT Phwoar wrote:


Volvo's early S40 engines were based on Renault or Mitsubishi motors, but
still covered huge miles and the 1.9 in the T4 was reliably putting 200bhp
out, and chipped by many to 250 or higher (fuel consumption often suffered
at this point...)

The older 5 potters were based on an Audi design.
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Errr no. Early 400 series were based (infact the earliest versions were
lifted straight from Renault) and volvo had about 4 sessions of fettling
them into something half decent, which by the end of production in 1.8 and
2.0 form were pretty tidy, if fundementally an old 8v design.

All the 4 cylinder all alloy 40 series engines are; see below....


Only the TDI was an ex-audi engine.

No again. The all alloy petrol white block 3litre straight 6 that Volvo
first introduced in the 960 in 1991 jointly developed with Porsche from,
well a big lump of aluminium, was the first of the modular units. From the
very start on the engineers board it was designed from the start to be
turbo-charge-able. Each cylinder was designed with a swept volume of 500cc
so that cylinders could be loped off to vary the capacity.

The 5 pot soon followed in the 1991 850 at launch in 2litre (143) and 2.5
20v (170) NA trim.

Soon after Volvo chopped another pot off to create a 4 banger which they
slotted in the new S40 range launched in mid '96.

By this time we had the 850T5 and all the turbocharging know how that
Porsche had helped with was passed down to the 4 cylinder to make the T4.

Tim..



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Tim.. wrote:


Erm... this is where we disagree. The 1.6 / 1.8 were the renault lump, and
I'm sure the 1.9 and the older 2.0 / 2.0t also. The phase II (yr 2001 > end)
were the modular 2.0 / 2.0t / T4 motor. I'm doing this from a clouded
memory.

Oh, and there was the mitsubishi engined one also - I had one, as my run of
accidents precluded the turbo on grounds of insurance and the 1.8 Gdi had
similar performance to the 2.0 with much better fuel economy.



Was it a porsche engineering project or was the engine designed to appear in
a porsche model?

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Tim S Kemp wrote:

I would imagine it was an engineering project.

Porsche took the 210bhp 3.0 V6 from my Pug, and stuck a fancy top end on to
give 250bhp, for Renault to use in the Clio V6. I don't think they had any
intention of using it themselves. Now that I think about it, that's not
actually relevent in any way - but there you go :)



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Bloody hell, how d'they manage that without you noticing?  Engine crane
under cover of darkness? :-)


Well, at least it went to a good home.  Does your car insurance cover you
for engine theft? LOL

Peter



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AstraVanMan wrote:

I'm not sure, but it was back before I got up in the morning, all back to
standard ! You'd never even know it had been gone :)


Well as above, it was all returned in perfect order, so I didn't bother
claiming. They're very good that Porsche lot.



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end)

No, all 40 series from launch had the modular engine.



This was Mitsibushi's GDI very slightly tinkered with for the Volvo
application. Whatever they did they shouldn't have as there are many S40
GDi's which are broken, whereas I've never heard of a Carisma GDI to have
problems.



Porsche just helped out wiht the head work.

The only other car to have Volvo's all alloy 5 potter was some versions of
the Renault Laguna and Safrane in 2.5 20v 170bhp guise, but only for a short
time around 94 / 95 . I've never seen one.

Tim..



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Saab used to do lots of things very well, but now they don't bother -
they just use other people's stuff instead (which is a decision mostly
made by GM bean counters, but that's a side issue).

GM using Saabs turbo knowledge is now unlikely to the extreme. Whereas
Saab using GM's turbo knowledge is likely to three digits of percentage.


--
Lordy.UK

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Lordy.UK wrote:


The V6 diseasel in the Signumb is lifted straight from saab, and I seem to
recall the 2.0t engine was modified from the standard 2.0 by Saab.

Sweden and Germany have engineers that are obsessed with quality and
reliability.


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Sadly the v6 dieseasel is not a paragon of reliablilty. Infact its quite the
opposite!

Saab 4 potters all use a 2 litre 16v motor, be they bequothed 1.8t, 2.0t, or
2.0T on boot lid- just add a different flavour of ECU, and AFAIK no
intercooler on the 'smallest' engine.

Tim..




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