Saab 9-5 Oil sludge

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I recently fell victim to the 'oil sludge' problem with my 9-5 engine -
124,000 kms. ( 4,000 kms out of a major service )
Had noticed a buzzing noise on cold starts and thought it was a sqeaky
fan belt - later discovered this was the oil pump struggling to get oil
from the sump.
Then 2 weeks ago a vibration from the front, and later that day the oil
light stayed on while starting and I knew it was major.

Diagnosis was a thrown timing belt ( had been replaced previously at
60K kms ) and a blocked oil pump.
In the end, had to replace the engine block.

Have had my car dealer serviced at the correct intervals for all but
one service when I went 3,000 kms over.
SAAB(GM) knocked me back on compensation for the new engine because of
this.

Motto:
Don't believe the service intervals from the dealer - they should be
halved for oil changes especially with city cars.
Find a specialist SAAB mechanic who know the car.

Have to recommend the guys at SAAB Tech at Mona Vale ( Sydney ) for a
great job. Much better service than the dealers and at half the price.

cheers,
Peter


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gw.mail@myrealbox.com wrote:


3000 km ? Where are you ? Hard to say from headers in your case. Ahh Ok -
OZ - I got it now. It was Sydney that was the give-away.



What oil have you been using ?

I find it curious that European drivers of the same cars apparently don't
suffer much.

Graham


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On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 05:30:28 +0100, Pooh Bear


 I was surprised when I got a letter from Saab USA adding a sludge
damage warranty up to 200,000 miles with NO !!! NO time limit.

But the letter did stress frequent oil changes and I use Saab oil from
the Saab dealer. It is very cheap insurance.

Malcolm

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Malcolm William Mason wrote:


How often do you change it ?

Graham


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Pooh Bear wrote:

Every 15,000 kms according to the recommended service schedule - which
is approx 9 months for me.

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Sounds to as if you're driving a lot of short trips. I would deffinately go
down to 10,000 km and/or six month intervals!!

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On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:19:48 +1000, Peter Oates


This is not my reply to the above post by me. I am in the USA and change
every 5000 mi. (about  8000 km.). Mostly city so I may increase to 4000
mi. (about 6400 km.).

Malcolm



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Buy some Mobil1 0W-40 instead. It's cheaper than the Saab "original"
turbo-oil, but it's the same thing. Mobil1 0W-40 is also Saab factory-fill.

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wrote:


Will Saab accept this as equal?

Malcolm

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Yes they will.

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Pooh Bear wrote:

Previously I hadn't taken much notice when serviced at the dealer - I
think it was Castrol Magnatec.
The independent guys who replaced my engine recommend Elf or Motul for
SAAB turbo engines.

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gw.mail@optusnet.com.au says...

Motul oil is very good.
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Millions and millions of miles of Saabs in Denmark and Sweden, show that
Mobil1 fully-synth is a darn good oil, for the Saab turbo-engines. Besides
that, it is factory-fill on all new Saabs.

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gw.mail@myrealbox.com wrote:

I don't get it, something does not smell right.  If you threw the timing
belt, then that means you have the V6 engine, which is not known to have
the sludge problem, AFAIK.  If you do have the 2.3L 4 cylinder engine,
which has been suffering the oil sludge problem, then you have a timing
chain, not a belt.


I'd fight it.  One oil change 3,000 k past due would not have caused
this problem on a properly designed engine.  They are just looking for
reasons to avoid paying-out on warranty issues that are obviously their
responsibility.


Funny, but that has always been the case (reduced change intervals for
frequent short trips).  I don't see how having a service interval
reminder on the dashboard would negate that.

-Fred W

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Malt_Hound wrote:

Yes - you're right the 4 cylinder uses a timing chain (not a belt). It
was the guide on the chain that snapped. This may or may not be related
to the oil problem. The previous repair at 60K kms was for a leaking
timing case ( also unrelated ).

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Peter Oates wrote:

Generally, you only have guide problems after the car has had some
serious overheating or the oil has been neglected for a *very* long
time.  If neither of these possibilities have occured in your car's past
then you just had some random bad luck.

-Fred W

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A thrown timingbelt? Sounds to that you're driving a Saab V6, as Saab's own
I4-engine uses timing-chains...

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