shifting too soon in Type-S deadly?

Dean Dark wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

That I believe!!!

innews: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

those EPA tests wouldn't be related to the gas guzzler tax, would they?

Oh, so you consider those "good quality auto mags" something other than the same marketing BS as in the glossy brochures?

Unlike you, the car

Don't forget about the full, frontal 2-page spreads!

I'd rather drive my car than read about someone else's car. Maybe that's why I know how to shift thru its gears.

But Corvette customers did demand a transmission that wouldn't break if you skip shifted it. Maybe Honda customers should do the same.

I don't understand why Corvette customers are happy to drive a car that *forces* them to skip gears, regardless of whether they "demanded a transmission that is up to it" or not. It all smells like a kludge and marketing bullshit/spin to me.

I can't imagine the upmarket performance car makers doing it, or their buyers tolerating it.

Dean Dark wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

I can't see that there's any demand for "skip-shifting" durability.

Not from me, that's for sure.

I think that the majority of Corvettes sold have automatic transmissions. Maybe GM just doesn't care enough about the relatively few buyers of their product who don't want a torque converter transmission.

Dean Dark wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

these days,very few standard transmissions are sold,less than 1 in

10,IIRC,for all models of cars. I'm worried they may do away with them altogether,or charge a "premium" for them,make THEM the "option" rather than the automatic.

Jim Yanik wrote in news:Xns992EBDD14EF01jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.84:

...in North America. Manuals are quite popular in the rest of the world due to government tax policies.

I don't think that's likely to happen. Automatics are a LOT more expensive to install than manuals, and the automakers already have the manuals on the shelf.

The only cars where manuals are entirely off the menu are those where sales would be virtually nil (minivans and SUV's for instance).

ACAR wrote in news:1178740512.816592.228130 @y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

When in sixth, does everyone go down all 5 gears? I never did in my RSX.

In case anybody's still interested, here is Honda's official word, from the Jan '06 issue of Honda Service News:

Skip Shifting Is Brutal on Synchronizers

Gear ratios in 6-speed manual trannies are spaced close together so you can keep the engine speed in its optimum range for max power and acceleration.

Shifting to the next higher or lower gear in a close-ratio tranny causes small changes in engine speed.

Shifting a close-ratio tranny through its gears by the numbers puts a very small load on the synchronizers since they only have to make small changes to the speed of the mainshaft and the clutch disc.

Some drivers, though, like to skip shift so they don?t have to work the clutch pedal and shift lever as much. They like to accelerate in 1st gear, then pop it into 3rd gear, then into 5th or 6th. Skip shifting, though, is really brutal on synchronizers; it puts a higher demand on them than they were designed to take. Skip shifting can cause premature synchronizer wear that can cause the gears to grind when you shift up or down.

If you?ve got a vehicle in your shop for repeated damage to the synchronizers, go for a test-drive with your service client to see if he or she is guilty of skip shifting. Skip shifting can be an expensive habit to break. Any repairs due to skip shifting may be reviewed and debited by your DPSM.

Thanks for doing the research, Tegger.

The moral of the story: if you must skip shift, double clutch. Or maybe: double clutch it now or double clutch it later.

Dean Dark wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

We're talking about a manual transmission, right? How does the driver know they can't use 2nd and 3rd...lights on the dash or trial-and-error?

Tegger wrote in news:Xns99306B3627D68tegger@207.14.116.130:

CRV manual...gone (for USA anyway).