their top-spec car. Nissan uses on the top-spec Skyline, Porsche uses it on the 911 Turbo and C4/C4S. The Lancer EVO and Subaru WRX STi which are both competant o out-run a great number of much more expensive cars are both AWD. How about the S4 and RS6 bettering RWD Corvette's and BMWs? You saw the list, and I could have kept going. RWD is cost effective and less likely to have mechanical problems down the line, and that's *it*. Ignore the facts all you want, but our antectdotal evidence is meaningless here.
the only reason is because they're owned by Audi AG and I've told you my thoughts on that.
you do realize that the GTR up until the R34 was not the fastest.
the fastest Porsche is no the 996 911 TT I think it's the new Carrera GT that's what, RWD??
I've have yet to see the Z06 best by any sedan, the M3 is a 10 best where is an Audi?? I don't ignore anything I'm waiting for proof of any kind.
So you're saying racing situations don't have slippery roads? And certain speed, every goddamn situation has a slippery point, where you run out of grip. But you wouldn't know that, since you've never tried.
F1 is the biggest motorsport organization? You crticized me for using Rallye and Touring because they aren't popular everywhere but you think F1 has tons of fans?
You used it as an example, AND I HAD TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S AWD. Go re-read the posts you BALD FACED LIAR.
HA! HA! HA! In your dreams!!!
All of which have been getting beaten by an RS6 in the Speed Touring series...
Only if you want me to as well. We've been over the reasons why these cars have RWD.
Who? Is this about your imaginary friend?
If you read C&D you would have seen their comparisons involving the S4, RS6, M3, M5, E55 AMG, C36 AMG, and S Type R where the S4 and RS6 won outright in their respective groups. You would have also seen their better on the limit performance. And you certainly would have seen the road tests a few years back where the B5 based S4 became the first car in almost 10 years to topple an M3 in a direct comparison when it beat the E36 M3 and Saab 9-3 Viggen in testing.
This isn;t what any of their articles have said, but since you don't actually read, I'll assume you didn't know any better. I'm guessing that by "reading" what you actually mean is staring at the pictures and making up whatever words you think fit nicely.
You're as useless here as you are in every other group I've seen you post. You're an angry child at best and a degenerate, uneducated troll at worst. Be happy in your ignorance.
Audi and Porsche have racing records that put BMW, Chevrolet, MB, Dodge and Ferrari to shame in every arena outside of F1. They were pioneers of AWD, and they used it succesfully a great number of times. Audi's Touring/DTM cars have proven time and time again on nearly every major circuit in the world which is the superior drivertrain layout. When Quattro Audis were stomping RWD BMWs in the 1990s, BMW ran to the regulations board and had Quattro banned as an unfair advantage. THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP. Rally races and endurance runs at places like Pikes Peak have proven the versatility of AWD, yet you defy it. Subaru and Mitsubishi found the benefits of AWD years ago, MB and BMW have started to learn as well. You have conjecture, I have proof.
No, actually. You've done little else than continually repeat the same silly, unfounded arguments.
If you'd read ANYTHING, little boy, you'd know the truth and conceed the point.
How about Touring? Remeber when I brought that up? It only happened 10 or 15 times. It's the class where QUATTRO Audis STOMPED ON RWD BMWs, Corvettes, Vipers, and countless others. But I bet you'll say that's meaningless because Touring doesn't pull ratings as big as Nascar.
Why does it matter? Even if it were only watched by 6 people, Audis are still beating BMWs.
I believe you've forgotten most of your K-12 education.
I'm shaking here. Get back to me when you can formulate a proper sentence. BTW, the requirements for a high IQ go beyond self-proclimation.
You've been warned about dragging your ass on the carpet, boy.
They get their asses kicked pretty consistantly in the Speed Touring series. But you don't actually follow racing, do you?
This is your proof of superiority? That a notriously BMW-biased rag put a BMW on thier 10 best list? Isn't it odd that the M3 found a spot on the list even though the S4 had beaten it TWICE in earlier comparos by the same publication?
Good question, why on earth did you recommend Steve to use spell checker, when you don't yourself have any idea what you're writing? With all those mistakes & no capitals & no splitting of your text, you write like someone who couldn't finish high school (have you?).
So you're saying a BMW-fan magazine is the source of independent information? Well, luckily you don't try to do any scientific research.
Grow up talk it seems, calling names when you can't prove your point. How old are you?
I'm just having fun seeing as you make even more fun of yourself all the time. Remember, usenet doesn't forget.
I have a good ideal, it must be well written if you can respond, and my whole point was to tell Steve not to talk about someone else when he is doing the same thing. Mikey I went and graduated college have you, I doubt it Target is hiring though. yes when their engineers make a statement that other companies support. I don't call people names, I've proven you two wrong many times over, you have yet to show me anything but that you two are silly and uniformed. 26. what your the dullard that says that weight of a vehicle doesn't matter, but since you are only operating with a tire pressure IQ you would make a statement like this and the one above. I'm glad the usernet remembers so it can show what you lack, smart, tact, and comprehension.
RS6, M3, M5, E55 AMG, C36 AMG, and S Type R where the S4 and RS6 won outright in their respective groups. You would have also seen their better on the limit performance. And you certainly would have seen the road tests a few years back where the B5 based S4 became the first car in almost 10 years to topple an M3 in a direct comparison when it beat the E36 M3 and Saab 9-3 Viggen in testing.
I'm waiting.
no dumb dumb I will say this only once, I stated that the GTR was AWD goggle it. ok look at the 0-60 times pre R34, oh that would require you to read or do research. yes I want you to show me cars that are a) not made from the same company, b) are not rally based. the guy you keep talking about he races in touring. yes the S4 won in over all rating but on the track it didn't look it up at C & D and that was only for the cheaper price and more logical interior. for track numbers the M3 won and the E55 was the best performer for all three mags. the B5 had more power, and TT the M3 was NA.
Steve you wouldn't know what the Car mags. said if you used it for TP since you don't read them. I've posted URLs you've spouted drivel. I can show you many articles that state what I've said you can't show anything. show what proof you have, and I'll post real articles something that you can't do.
Steve people ask for me by name and look past your postings you go off in other groups and have no ideal what you saying and lots of people laugh at you trust me I can show email. but I'll let it pat since you have yet to come with any evidence and your feelings and pride are hurt.
Can you only spout what others have said before, can you be original for once. I just want you to take a IQ test are you scared that you'll be exposed for the fool I've known for weeks. if you not scared let me know.
I'm far from a child but all you can say is um, I've seen this before so I'm not creative to say anything else so this all I can say. troll, child & more drivel.
and Ferrari to shame in every arena outside of F1. They were pioneers of AWD, and they used it succesfully a great number of times. Audi's Touring/DTM cars have proven time and time again on nearly every major circuit in the world which is the superior drivertrain layout. When Quattro Audis were stomping RWD BMWs in the 1990s, BMW ran to the regulations board and had Quattro banned as an unfair advantage. THEY COULDN'T KEEP UP. Rally races and endurance runs at places like Pikes Peak have proven the versatility of AWD, yet you defy it. Subaru and Mitsubishi found the benefits of AWD years ago, MB and BMW have started to learn as well. You have conjecture, I have proof.
15 times. It's the class where QUATTRO Audis STOMPED ON RWD BMWs, Corvettes, Vipers, and countless others. But I bet you'll say that's meaningless because Touring doesn't pull ratings as big as Nascar.
BTW, the requirements for a high IQ go beyond self-proclimation.
since you have a sub 100 IQ I think you would feel that you have shown anything more than fast typing. Are you really saying that Por/Audi has a better racing record than Fer. are you stupid or just real slow?? The first cars to use AWD were GM, so how was Audi the pioneer?? so in a three small race circuits AWD is king I have no doubt but for the big racing circuits they're not explain this. BMW offered AWD in the 80s but it didn't sell well, Audi coming back from the brink of death using AWD as it's only crutch in world of cars was a good ideal, now most car companies offer it on there best selling models but on their TOP PERFORMING models it's still the tried and true RWD for max performance. so if a tree falls in a forest does it make a nose. if the Audis are so great how many times have they out sold BMW, oh never?? writing skill are only a part of IQ, why are you scared to take one, do you not want me to show you up again. That was funny, your best joke yet, you would save that. it was supposed to read I've raced in SCCA have you?? I know it's not ok with you, you're a fool
BMW on thier 10 best list? Isn't it odd that the M3 found a spot on the list even
no for the millionth time read, up until the R34 came out the 300ZX TT was the fastest and the Silva was a close second and they're both RWD. so the STou series has sedans on the circuit?? no I'm just showing that the S4 is outclassed, it has more power, and more torque I hope it does win.
after all you countless rants, I've noticed that when you learn a new work you use it many times i.e., conjecture. but alas you have yet to prove me wrong and every example you give I show a model in that company that performs better but you fail to see this, so I guess we'll just go around & around. on day you will see the errors in your ways.
Now which companies support them? Please enlighten us, since for some reason everyone according to you agrees with your opinion, but you prove no facts to the table.
After college one goes to university.
Damn, since pascals are SI-standard, I'm perhaps bit too smart. And yes, one bar is ~100kPa. So according to you, my IQ is ~250k? Or, did you ever read physics (would certainly help you to understand some basics) ?
So basically you're saying your RWD cars will never run out of grip? What kind of comment is that then? Now listen, the amount of grip is based on a) road's slippery, b) force that's pushing you to the ground. These two applied, it doesn't matter even if you drive in liquid concrete, it will get slippery eventually, when speed increases. Now try to imagine what more grip means compared to less grip.
This is garbage. Try and prove it, and the whole board will see so. Besides, Nissan was toying with AWD variants of their Primera sedan and hatchback in the early 1990s, it's not new to them, and they obviously found the performance benefits.
The what? If you're talking about the Speed Touring series, than yes they do. Randy Probst ran an S4 sedan for 2 seasons and won overall at least once in it. He's now on his second season in an RS6 sedan which won overall last year. There were a few M3 sedans running at one point as well. Probst's 4-door AWD Audi's have bested Corvettes (C4s and C5s), BMWs, Vipers, and several other RWD cars on a consistant basis. Try watching a race sometime.
How? If it's winning comparison testing in some of the world's major publications and winning on the track, then were could it be outclassed? How about adressing some of the issues I brought up last time? You have a wonderfully funny habit of ignoring my major points and then proclaiming that you're winning this debate.
REALLY? F1 races never occur in the rain?? WOW!! That's why they invested so much money in treaded tires for wet weather?? Touring races and rallye races never occur in the rain either? Or IRL or Cart? YOU'RE A LIAR AND AN IDIOT.
You're making things up. Stop it, NOW. First of all, the S4 did make C&Ds Ten Best list, this January:
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in the C&D comparo, they said:"Out on the twisty roads, the S4 quickly became the favorite. The firm Recarobucket keeps the driver in place without straining. The stability control is sosubtle in its operation that you never feel it intrude (unless you?ve made abig mistake). Chassis dynamics are simply superb. As you brake deep into aturn, the S4 puts its belly to the ground and maintains amazing stability asyou pick up the arc toward the exit and squeeze on the power. Roll angles aretightly controlled. The shocks keep body motions on a short leash. You can feelthe tires scratching and straining for grip as the front and rear electronicdifferential locks respond to the V-8 torque. The Quattro?s stern disciplinekeeps redistributing the driving forces, allowing you to get the throttle openearly yet cling confidently to your intended line. This is a car that?ll workwith you! Few sporting cars are this open in their communication, and sodisinclined to mischief. "THIS IS MY FAVORITE: "Of this trio, the S4 is in a class by itself, scoring thefull 10 points in our handling rating, two above the M3 and three above theC32. It also earned a 10 in fun to drive, decisively above the others. Wouldthe throaty motor music be worth a point all by itself? It might."YOU ARE A LIAR! AND ILLETIRATE!! PISS OFF!!
STOP LYING! The E55 wasn't even being compared to the S4, it was being compared to the RS6!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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PLEASE forward those e-mails to me. I'm begging you.
I've been humored by these rants for a couple days now...and while I'm new to the NG, I'm wondering why I've delayed subscribing.
My Background: I recently purchased a new car and before doing so I test drove everything in the class (Small luxury sedans). I feel as though I am an aggressive driver, but not driver who lacks the prudence to know when to back it down. That said, I feel I was able to evaluate the quality of a production vehicle from laymans prospective. I'm not a racecar driver by any means but I am qualified to debate this topic from a general public viewpoint.
My Opinion: This discussion is on the verge of ridiculous, and well past the threshold of intelligent. Mr. Ghee is absoluty recieving a thrashing, he couldn't be flogged more by a batallion of 17 century soliders! You may have some decent points about RWD vehicles but your lack of tangable details reduces your comments to little more than monosaballic banter. To win this argument you simply need to say that the average driver can not handle the high level of performance needed to make the AWD a distinct winner in abient driving conditions. Where you fail, and fail miserably is that, a Ford escort is also a capable vehicle in the hands of most daily commuters. When you press the abilities of these vehicles you'll find time and time again the Torsen system and it's ability to adjust the grip on four wheels is far superior to RWD. To prove this simply take a vehicle that comes in both RWD and AWD (G35, 330i) and small number of other vehicles and compare them to each other...there, questions answered! Ball game over and discussion is finished. Now, find those numbers and get back to me.
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