OK, the T16S is for sale. UK, Cheshire.

Aug 13, 2004 22 Replies
1984 registered on a UK B plate, very early flat front T16S (Aero kit, duck tailspoiler and aero 3 spokes).

I've decided, I need something a little more modern, and less thirsty, and smaller.



It needs a little body TLC (one small rust patch on the drivers front wing infront of the wheel and lots of little patches of laquer flaking) but the bonnet is pretty solid with just one or two small bubbles starting to show along the leading edge coming out of the chip protection strip, and one small area of rust that is still solid under the paint, but bubbling at the bottom of the tailgate but hidden by the bumper.



On the interior, the only thing non original is the lower console carpetted box. Like a fool, planning to keep the car a while I butchered it to put the CarPC in. It should be burgundy to match the rest of the interior, but it has a grey one fitted which could easily be recarpetted. One small ciggy burn on the burgundy front seat. Been there since before I bought the car.



It has the rare burgundy dash top.



I think fixer upwise, it needs a set of lower wishbone bushes on the passger side, and maybe an engine mount or two. Not difficult if you mechanically ability and have access to a workshop. I have neither so with the body, and the work it would get very expensive for me, even though the parts are relatively expensive. Also requires either replacement oil cooler or the hoses fittings, I think that is where the oil is leaking from (loses about 3/4-1 litre between 3000mile changes) as the cooler is coated, and so is the underside of the engine/trans where I thing it is blowing under the car off the cooler. Not much at a time, but has built up and perished the bushes and at least one mount, as it pops out of 1,2, and 3 occasionally but only at low revs or trailing throttle, and if you plant it in any gear on boost, not only does the stick move a lot, but you can feel a slight judder as the engine/trans shoots forward a very little and then the chassis catches up. I don't think there is serious trans wear, as 4, 5 and reverse are fine, but it is a little stiff in 1, and 2 when cold.



And the good bits, what I've done, or had done. New ball joints at the front. New wheel bearings at the front. New calipers and discs at the front, and a secondhand servo as the old one was leaking. New pads all round, second set on the front in March. Loads of new VAC hose, under bonnet and dash. Small ammount of welding to re-enforce inner front arches after Previous owners mechanic bodged something (probably wheel bearing change and ripped the arch leading to a little corrosion) and small ammount of welding the passenger side rear inner arch. Chain tensioner changed from old single bolt type to new double bolt type, and new chain rolled in while the covers where off. Sprockets were fine. Rear tyres are near new, front have about 1-2 mm above the wear marker, all were fitted at the same time. Avon ZV1 195/60VR15 on original 3 spoke Aeros (little chipped but not badly corroded). New GAZ shocks fitted allround. Bailey alloy recirc fitted along with a budget cone filter and cold air intake, although I do have the original un-touched airbox and pipes in the loft. One electric window regulator replaced, all windows/mirrors/sunroof all funtion perfectly and no leaks from the sunroof. Cruise control still needs work. Has a Blaupunkt Modena CD player (wth AUX in so you can plug in an iPOD/laptop and get sound through the car speakers) and Kicker 4" Speakers fitted currently, but I also have the original Saab radio cassette. Replacement generic power arial. New plugs and trans fluid about 8-9k miles ago. oil changed religiously every 3 thousands miles, with the filter changed every 6 thousand. Only used either Halford 5w40 full synth, Chevron 5w40 full synth, or after a full flush for the last two changes Carlube Triple-R 10w40 semi-synth. Due a change in the next couple of weeks (about 500 miels till the next change).



Has fully working headlight wash/wipe, and bosch wipers on the windscreen.



All MOTs except one since new. Last few tax discs. Owners manual in the grey Saab wallet, plus when sold to the second owner by Sheardley hall Saab, a replacement service book from a slightly later model when it was sold as a Saab Approved used car, to replace the missing one. Service stamps in there from Sheardley hall, and after they closed SarbKar in Liverpool, upto 108k miles. I bought it with 118k miles and gave it a service straight away. Have religiously changed oil since the. No coolant leaks, not trans fluid leaks.



Car has just turned 150k miles, and is 20 years old on (I think without checking the paperwork) the 11th Sept. Works out an average of only 7.5k a year.



Has MOT until Mar 2005, and tax until Jan 2005. Would make a good easy restoration, or very reliable workhorse, to keep your convertable clean for the summer.



I reckon with buying and fixing, I'm into this car for £1700. I'm asking £1200 or nearest offer. Sensible offers will be accepted, but get fairly close, I chuck in the tax, get very close, I'll leave in the CD player. Either way, you get the original Saab tape player, and the upgraded speakers, but if I keep the CD, I'll refit the tape deck.



I've tried to be as honest as I can. Contact me through email the address posted from is valid. Car is in Warrington Cheshire, between Manchester and Liverpool, and easy access from the M6, M62, and M56.



This is an early flat front model with the front handbrake.


You'll miss it when it's gone, and one day you'll buy another T16. Trust me.

If your grey box is in good condition, I'll swap for a burgundy one if you want.

I know. I have promised my self, if I drive something a little lighter on fuel now (planning on a mid 90's prelude VTEC, thrifty round town and on steady cruise, but still able to boogy when I want to play, better fuel economy, FWD, with double wishbones, but a lot lighter shorter, and only downside being a cambelt not a chain) I will get myself a Mint C900 T16 FPT when I have more money.

It's in pretty good nick, I would say not a mark on it. Unless someone comes back straight away and says they want the car (say a week) we'll sort something out for a swap (posting wise etc).

in article snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net, MeatballTurbo at snipped-for-privacy@bouncing-czechs.com wrote on 13/08/2004 22:29:

All that work ...

That's not a bad price for what is essentially a pretty rare car!

The next 900 I buy will be a 2 door 8 valve injection. I'm not into B202s, as you know :) I wish you well with selling it. It's a fine car by all accounts. Are you still going to be around the SAAB Scene? Or, are we going to have to look for you on alt.autos.honda :)

Grunff's right - you'll be back. I'm on my third now, as you know. I know you've spoken a lot about how much the old girl drinks, so we (sniff ... Sob) wish you well with your next car and hope you can afford to run her!!! How did those old Skodas fare on fuel consumption, BTW?

All the best .. I'm sure it's not farewell, though ...

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
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The new Accord VTECs are absolute belters ... Superb! ... But yeah, the SAAB Scene ... We're a funny bunch really, aren't we :)

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
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SAAB scene??? Sounds like those tyre smoking cruises you hear about... ;-)

I imagine hondas as high reving screamers, only alive above 8000 rpm.

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I will be back. When I have a bit more spare money to look after one, and access to a garage with power, and lights. I plan to find a minter T16S convertable in black with burgundy leather and air con for those warm but wet days.

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I'll still be on the newsgroup, and occasionally checking out the forums.

Met some interesting people here.

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Those old Skodas get between 305 and 45 to the gallon depending on enthusiasm for the corners.

But I've been banned from owning own by she who must be obeyed.

She wants me to spend arround 2-3k on a small hatch "There are loads of cheap Puntos, and you passed in a punto", and whatever car must be J reg or newer.

I've convinced her that something like a Generation4 Prelude 2.2 VTEC, or an MR2 2.0 non turbo might be fun, and not much more to insure, even though it is newer, lighter, and the prelude has more power too.

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On the preludes I've been looking at, it is soft and nice arround town, and sips like a nun, but get it between 5250 and 7000, and all hell breaks loose.

It's mazda rotarys that can spin silly revs.

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I don't know the Prelude generations very well, but I have noticed that newer models are not as nice as a previous model which had some characteristic rear lights in a sort of triangular shape.

in article snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net, MeatballTurbo at snipped-for-privacy@bouncing-czechs.com wrote on 15/08/2004 00:46:

305? Cool ... I'm getting one :) I keep looking at the 130 models and thinking ...

I passed in a Vauxhall Nova! There's no way I'd want to own the car I passed my test in ... We do have a Punto Sporting, which is actually a very fun car. You can slide it with yer bum :)

Paul

I passed in a MK3 Fiesta Diesel. I would also not want to own the car I passed my test in. Drove a Punto as a courtesy car for a few days a while back, it was OK. We've no small cars - a 1.8 Mondeo, which is a fine handling car for such a heavy old tub, and the C900 Saloon, which is just.. well.. fantastic really now it's had a service and I set the timing properly this morning.

Mike

Carl - very sorry to see you giving up on the line, thanks for all your advise and observations though. Maybe you could talk your way into a 9000 model. Not as hoopy without the turbo - but tardis like capacity inside and pretty good on fuel if you take it easy and find a 5 speed.

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You know that was a type you sarky bugger.

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Well, I passed in a Punto Diesel (not turbo diesel, just plain diesel). I thought it was fantastic, bearing in mind I was getting extra practice in my then Skoda Estelle 120L. In comparison, the Punto was amazing, first time in all the time I had driven in L plates, for power steering,

5 gears, tinted (factory tints, not Nova Neds), front wheel drive, and only the second servo assisted braked vehicle I had driven (my Skoda was the other).

But previous learning experience was limited to a Relian Robn supervan, and a Bedford HA Viva (ex GPO) van that was my brothers vehicle after he passed (2 years younger, but passed 10 years before me).

Then after passing, had the Estelle for about 8 months (similar winter experience to the Saab, built for cold weather so all the engine weight right over the rear wheels for maximum traction), then the Favorit for about a year (really boring to drive even with dropped suspension, and slightly weight relieved), and not that comfortable after I added bucket seats to save weight and go with the motorsport shocks and springs I fitted, then the Saab for the last 18 months.

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The ones I am looking at are 91(jap imports)/92 to 96.

They had the slim slot lights at the front (first prelude not to have popups) with two small "Nostril" intake grilles with slats in at the feont next to the lights near the centre of the bonnet, and the large trianglular shaped rear lights.

the last ones, the generation 5's have it the other way round, large square sloping front lights, and the rear clus like a slot across the back of the car.

I don't like the gen 5's as much as the gen 4, plus while they have more power, they are heavier, and I've been told they don't handle as well, but they are out of my price range anyway.

I did a very silly thing today. I have been admiring quite a nice condition series 3 Supra (the wedgier one before the latest (that was used in the fast and the furious)) for the last few months, and yesterday I saw a for sale sign.

So I rang about it today. Insurance won't be much more than the Saab, and for some insurers, actually cheaper than a uk or import Prelude.

I know I wanted to save money and buy smaller, but there is something enticing about

3 litre straight six turbo RWD Electric everything and cruise and aircon still works. It's also a manual, so fuel should be a little better than slushmatic. leather interior, with electric adjustment. MOT till december, no tax, £1800. Unfortunatley the last owner kept the service records, so there is no history with it.

But it is still tempting.

in article snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net, MeatballTurbo at snipped-for-privacy@bouncing-czechs.com wrote on 15/08/2004 20:29:

When my Orca was smashed up in her behind, I was loaned a Siecento S (same spec as the Sporting) and I drove it like I nicked it ... Apart from a run down to my parents in the West Midlands where I was passed by a few C900 Aeros (grrr!), I really enjoyed that car - around town, it could no be beaten. I would not like to have a crash in it though.

As for Puntos ... The GTs are seriously tuneable and (for FIATs), pretty hard! The block is, well, almost indestructable and the FIAT FIRE system is well honed by now. Put all that with a turbo and you've got 300 BHP in a car well under a tonne ... Nice :) The Sporting model can hold its own with most cars up to around 50 or 60 MPH. Again, the FIRE system is very good. Our Sporting can still pull at over 110 MPH in 5th - stamp the fun pedal and you can still feel it. It's just nowhere near as comfortable, self-driving or cool as a C900 though :)

Tasteful P)

I think SWMBO might like a newer car ... The MR2 sounds like a good buy. There's been some discussion in Retro Cars mag recently; even a buyers guide. That might satisfy both of you ...

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
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She says post J reg.

I've tried to convince her that something that just about crosses it during it model run should be possible.

Like a late 900, or an early 944 non turbo (not like I could afford a decent one for £2k), an MR2 Mk2 that sort of thing.

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Don't worry, just a temporary departure. I did consider a 9000. But the best economy comes from the Aero models on long runs, and decent ones of them haven't come down in price yet.

As soon as they do, I'll be back, and when I'm a little more flush, i find a decent black C900 cabrio.

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