The difference between a scalpel and an axe? Don't get me wrong, the
Corvette offers incredible performance at a remarkably low price and
(theoretically) it can be serviced at any Chevy dealer. OTOH, the interior
sucks (albeit there's a $24K solution) and it has various other limitations.
R / John
I suppose. I am glad to see reports that the new M3 will be less
hard-core, more gand-tourer, than the outgoing model. I don't see the
point of such hard-riding cars for the street. IMO the extra-hard
suspension should be an option.
Thank you for your contribution. Maybe I am ignorant of the
situation, and M3 in fact has suspension options, one harder/sportier
than the other, from the factory.
Care to step up to the plate and provide evidence that the M3 has such
"All-new suspension with special, weight-optimised components as well as
axle kinematics characteristic of BMW M for a highly dynamic driving
experience, forged aluminium track control arms, compound high-performance
brake system, optional Electronic Damper Control (EDC) with three freely
available control maps."
I should ad that my LOL was at the comment that the M3s' "hard-riding"
suspension should be an option. The E46 M3's suspension is not that much
harder than a 325 with sports suspension and is designed to be so.
It's not as if it was designed to be uncomfortable, it was designed to do a
job. One it does quite well. I lived with it for 2 years on unmade roads
with 6" potholes.
It's true most people are unlikely to exploit the capabilities of any "M"
car on the road, especially in town. But on select open roads they do excel
and that is where elements such as the suspension shine.
An M3 is/was BMW's pinnacle of the M didvisions "Motorsport" engineering.
Not a luxo-barge... although I must admit while I found the M3 too soft and
not as focussed as I wanted it was an excellent compromise betwen
performance and practicality.
(I've now decided I can do without the practicality.)
That's an example of how hard it is to please all of the people with
just one suspension setup. You would want the M3 suspension harder
yet, while I think the normal BMW "sport" suspension is plenty firm
for the street.
IMO, anyone who thinks the current M3 "too soft" is extreme-enough
where they can and should be left to the aftermarket. Again, MO.
Why? Are you going to do a Lancashire fighting clog dance or
You've always been an entertaining chucklehead, that's for sure, but
if you've got something new and interesting like that up your sleeve,
then maybe we'll take a fresh look at you.
Go ahead, kick some more arse.
You mention HARD SUSPENSION. I was in the market to replace my E38 740i and
looked at several E65 730d cars before buying the 6 month old example I have
however, I digress. One of the "wonderful" models was a 730d SPORT????
It had the option of 20" wheels amongst others that made it very desirable until
I drove it.
The suspension was rock hard - thump thump thump on every little road
imperfection and coupled with the 20" wheels and very low profile tyres (tires)
the ride was terrible. the wheels made the car "white line" (that is wandering
about being guided by the raised white line and reflectors (cats eyes).
There was no way I could have lived with such a monster. Maybe on a NEW smooth
asphalt surface Ok but on bumpy roads with pot holes and white lines and your
concrete interstates Wow.............. Drive me mad.....
Another I tried was a stock sedan fitted with the optional adaptive suspension.
Hard and soft settings but this was also fitted with the 20" wheels. the hard
setting wasn't as hard as the sport as the car still had stock springs and only
the damper setting were being changed but it was still "nervy" on the white
lines and bumpy on the normal road surface. On the "comfort" settings it still
wandered about due to the 20" wheels but the ride was like a boat and I actually
felt sick and so did my wife after about 20 minuets driving.
We decided to give that one a miss too.
I bought a 730d with stock suspension and I can honestly say that in everyday
driving and fast country driving it runs circles around the so called "Sport"
version for ride and comfort. On a race track things might be different but in
the real world -------
To me, the more relevant question is "It beats the previous M3
how?" Once you dip under the 5secs 0-60 line, costs rise exponentially
for every tenth second, which is less and less practical for a street
car (in the US, you can ignore the top speed altogether unless you
like the prison social scene). If I had an E46 M3, I don't think the
additional tenths shaved would warrant the expense.
How can you know where I'm at if you haven't been where I been?
Can you see where I'm coming from? "How I Could Just Kill A Man" Cypress Hill
For sure, but what you may be missing is the cost effectiveness of the
crotch-rocket motorcycle once you get into the, say, sub 4 second 0 to
The adrenaline rush of a modern crotch rocket is in a different league
altogether. It leaves you despairing of *any* car's performance.
Thank ghod that I'm old enough (too old?) and wise enough to stay away
from more than a quick blast on someone else's modern bike. Damn, I
nearly killed myself one time on a Triumph Speed Twin in
If you don't agree with what they are doing, don't buy it. If enough
people feel and act the same way, maybe BMW will get the hint.
I personally like the speed of my 330i; with 255 hp and a six sp manual
it moves quite well and I could not imagine needing or wanting anything
more than that. Plus the wife and two kids fit in nicely with the 4 doors.
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