The CDs offered on Ebay are always junk copies, usually of outdated BMW CDs,
especially given that very little info from BMW is produced on CD these
days. Most is on the web.
E21 is not covered in anything except the Mobile Traditions E21 repair CD
and the ETK parts CD set.
There is NO repair information for E21 on the TIS CD, despite what the Ebay
scum want you to believe. There is also NO wiring information for E21 on
the ETM CDs, despite what the Ebay scum want you to believe..... You get my
point. If it's on Ebay, it's not going to work for you, it's not being sold
by a human and the seller is lying about it's content. Guaranteed.
If you can't get the E21 Repair CD from your local dealer, try a US vendor.
Some, like us, will only ship via UPS, which makes it very cost prohibitive
to you, but some might ship by US Mail, which makes it very affordable.
Hope this helps.
Brett Anderson - KMS
Nedavno KMS - Brett Anderson pise:
| The CDs offered on Ebay are always junk copies, usually of outdated
| BMW CDs, especially given that very little info from BMW is produced
| on CD these days. Most is on the web.
May be, I bought one CD set, and when it gets here I will see.
| E21 is not covered in anything except the Mobile Traditions E21
| repair CD and the ETK parts CD set.
Mobile Traditions ETK parts for e21 is available on line. I was
wondering what Mobile Traditions E21 repair CD contains. I have Bentley
repair manual (paper - not CD) for my E30, is this Mobile Traditions
E21 repair CD similar? Is it worth $100?
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:03:48 -0500, "KMS - Brett Anderson"
What a load of old BOLLOCKS!
And I am NOT scum - or is the stuff you sell crap and it's a self
Yes they are out dated but then if you are a BMW dealer and charge $100 -
$150 an hour the price is nothing and also tax deducible.
I will guarantee that the copies - yes folks they are copies as there are
more folk that want them than there are BMW dealers.
If you buy a new BMW then you won't need one as the warranty will cover it
for 5 years (if you pay for the extended part) and then you sell it to
someone that will fix it themselves and want the CDs.
remember when the older vehicles were in production CDs were not invented
so everything was on paper and I still have my old E3 paper manual. When
CDs became the dealers only way of manuals and info then BMW did a bit of
backward formatting and added bits of the bubble car - Issetta and the
The early 6 series is not on the TIS either but is covered by the parts
lists and TIS info is generally the same as the E3 models.
According to EU & USA laws BMW must make technical info available to anyone
that wants it so - either get my copy for $10 or go to BMW and give them
$100 (probably wrong price but I reckon it's not that far out)
I don't mind you protecting your business but to insult people you don't
know anything about is a disgrace to you and your business and I hope it
reflects on you.
However, I must agree that there are some people on Ebay that do sell
"crap" and don't take any effort to supply instructions to install or use.
Black felt tip pen is the only mark on the Cds - yes "crap".
I do take the time and effort to test run and verify that each set will run
and smart CD labels to top it off. Hundreds of satisfied customers who
have returned for friends or for the later issues cannot be that wrong.
I have shipped the world over and only once got a report of a bad copy and
when checked there was a dammed great scratch across it - probably done by
the customer by accident but nevertheless I replaced it FOC - does that
sound like SCUM?
Come on guys! I don't want an apology but don't claim that every Ebayer is
SCUM or it WILL bounce back on you.
And I guess violating copyrights law really doesn't bother you does it?
EVERY copy you sell is ILLEGAL and every one carries a penalty. Nice of
you to tell us about yourself on a public newsgroup that BMW monitors.
I'm sure you'll be hearing from them shortly.
I doubt BMW monitors this and would not waste their time going after him
for boot legging the CDs. They could not recoup their investment in
time and $$ since the people that buy these botleg CDs would never spend
the hundreds of dollars to buy they official BMW ones.
Have you looked on ebay lately an seen how many technical CDs there are
99% are out of date but useful for owners of older cars. The new cars are
built or rather put together like rocket ships and generally need a PhD to
service and repair.
BMW do make available to consumers but why do ebay sellers ply their trade
- because people want it and the car companies just don't want to know
about you fixing your car as it is less business for them or rather less
chance to rip you off if you actually know what you are talking about.
BMW tried to rip me off for $500 for a new PDC control unit when the
problem was a $10 relay.....................?
One thing about ebay "repair" manuals, make sure it works for YOUR operating
systems. On other BMW forums, people have reported buying these CDs and
finding that it only works with Windows 95 or OLDER!
I think that should be Win95 or LATER. The next versions available will be
in 'JAVA' so should be portable to other OS.
Many problem encountered are by users thinking they know best and not
following install instruction.
However, as you say - software theft -or these guys passing on something
that BMW has already thrown away as its no good to their dealers who are
only interested in servicing lease cars and people with too much money.
That's right, it must be made available, and it is at www.bmwtechinfo.com,
or on CD at www.centrallettershop.com
Neither the laws of EU and USA allow you to pirate the software for your own
gain, which is what you are doing.
With piracy as bad as it is, it's a wonder anyone bothers to write software,
or music, these days. I wrote a complete set of repair manuals, starting
with the E30 M3, which was released 6 years ago, but never released the E30
full range, E28, E24 or E23 CDs because it wasn't worth the effort. 5
minutes after a scumbag like you got one, it would be all over Ebay. As a
result, thousands of people miss out on what may have been exactly what they
need to maintain their vehicles.
KMS - Koala Motorsport LLC
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