My E30 doesn't have any cupholders at all. I feel so deprived!
Touche... I for one NEVER test drive a car before I buy it (like an
idiot). I put almost 100 miles on the car I have now just to put it
through the paces so I could get an idea of what suspension wear and
tear the car had on it. Listening for thumps, looking for vibrations,
etc. Wouldn't have asked to do that with a new car but the previous
owner of mine was more than willing to let me check it out thoroughly.
Luxury item that it standard on almost anything these days.
Let's see, almost every car I've ever owned has had the lights and
the turn siglans on the left side of the wheel. Have had one or two
with the wipers over there too. Being RIGHT handed, this has never
caused me any grief.
I'll bet your pussy hurts too because the heated seats go through
Nah, screw the donkey cart. I'll keep my E30. I know it's not as old
as your E28 but it doesn't seem to have all the problems of a new car
I'll bet 30 minutes of reading the f&@%#$! manual would enlighten
him a great deal on how to do this stuff...
Play CD's so you don't have to deal with the distractions of
When the reference sensor went out on my car, I begged it to get me
home. Not only did it not listen and help me out, it offered me no
help in figuring out the problem.
No gold teeth, but my phone has blue tooth. Headset paired to it
works very well even in the car. I'm very happy with it.
Navigation is mostly for people who can't read maps (and spoiled
brats). I also don't think that BMW's navigation system is so inferior
to what's available on the market that the continue to put it in thier
cars. Something tells me you're not smart enough to use that system
either. Do you access it through I-Drive?
I'll do better then that suggestion, post pictures of the car and
wife together. Maybe I'll take both of them off your hands...
Ah, the counter arguments. All pretty good really. The E28/E30 were
definitely aimed more at the purest in terms of lean and mean DRIVING
machines. Some amplification on the E60.
It resolved several issues with the E39. More rear seat room (the E39 was
barely more accomodating than the 3-series in that respect), a larger trunk
(E39 smallest in its class ... pack efficiently I say), a bit quieter on the
road. But that's about it.
BMW navigation sucks compared to the competition. It's not nearly as user
friendly as the Japanese units used by Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura. Just
as true for the seven series. Nav can be pretty neat when you're in a
strange town, made a wrong turn, and there's no place to stop for
Cupholders suck too. Not a big deal for me (I kid my service manager about
them), but there are enough folks out there that equate commute with coffee
to create a pretty significant aftermarket for BMW cupholders ... some quite
Interior storage is not a strong point. I think this has been forever true.
Seems my E12 was lacking there too.
I-drive evidently appeals to a minority of the ownership. The rest are
utterly frustrated and have expanded their four-letter-word vocabulary.
Active steering is weird. The M-5 forgoes it. Nuff said.
The interior layout is weird. The door pulls are the antithesis of
ergonomics. And whatever happened to driver-centric displays and controls?
It's ugly (the looks haven't grown on me anyway). OTOH, if you follow the
car show circuit, EVERYBODY is copying the BangleButt look.
If you read car magazines (I've been doing that for over 40 years), BMW's
usually get rave reviews. There have been exceptions. The E28 528e missed
the mark. More often, they're rated best in class .... the standard by
which others are compared. The E39 was praised during its entire production
cycle (even consumer reports thought it "the best car they ever tested").
The E60 has not been so well received.
BMW will likely never revert to the simplicity of its earlier cars (I
remember the 2002tii with great fondness). Hopefully they will find that
ground which reflects marketing reality while still appealing to their
traditional customers. The E60 didn't achieve that illusive goal. The E90
is at least a step in the right direction.
R / John
You had me in your corner all the way up to there. I regard a nav
system in much the same way as a sunroof: I didn't need it, didn't want
it, wouldn't pay extra for it, but somehow got a car with it and - it's
one of the coolest things in the world!
With the sunroof thing, it was my '86 Audi 4KQ. None of 'em (that I
know of) came *without* a sunroof, so I got one. I used to have it
open a lot. Now, with a series of E28s behind me, I like 'em even more
(They're *bigger* on the BMW.).
My wife's '02 Jaguar X-Type has sucked me into two more things. First
there's the glass panel roof. After seeing hers, I wanted one in the
E28, but hardly any were made that way. Fortunately, ratty old Saabs
headed to the junkyard are now yielding a perfect fit glass panel for
an E28 at a bargain price!
The other thing is the nav system. A nice English-accented lady (who
speaks about a dozen languages!) offers directions and instantly (well,
within 30 seconds) reroutes you when you either screw up or ignore her.
Best of all, she never gets pissed off, tells you to go to hell, and
refuses to give more directions! I think I'm in love ... At any rate,
a good nav system could even make a damn Chevy Suburban kinda' fun. I
wouldn't pay the extra $1500 for it, but on the used car market, you
hardly even notice it in the price.
(Been there; didn't get lost!)
I agree with you statement here, don't feel the need for it and sure
wouldn't go out of my way to pay for it. If I found the right car and
it had it already, I would not walk away from the car over it.
Really? I wonder if there's any out there that would fit an E30.
Wouldn't mind a moon roof just to be different.
One of our compnay trucks (a freightliner) has a nevigation system
in it and I've driven it a few times and the navigation system is neat
but I can see how some of the idiots I work with have gotten in
trouble with it. When driving a 70 ft vehicle, common sense has to
interpret the direction given by the nav system...
Well, the only way *we* (the E28 community) found out was, some guy
scratched his head, took a few measurements, and tried it. The 9000
roof panel fits the E28. Maybe the 900 is close to the E30. OTOH,
maybe they're still available new. There are something like 6 glass
E28 panels left in the BMW parts system worldwide. You can get one for
just over $300 if you know who to ask. Used Saab parts usually run you
more like $30-100.
Well, yeah. Ours will instruct you to turn left onto the nearest
street in spite of the fact that there's a 4-foot-high brick wall in
the median. I can overcome shortcomings like that with common sense
... and 'she' will immediately reroute me. =;^) OTOH, there's the
story of the BMW exec who drove a car into a lake because 'ze
navigation system sayss zere iss a road here.'
(Been there; mighta' done that)
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