On Apr 18, 1:00 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
That's down the line, my friend, down the line and far in the north of
the country sometime after my hydrogen booster has cleaned out this
old engine. I think you misunderstood what I meant by the hydrogen
booster. It's a simple electrolysis unit that you can make at home
for under 40 or so bucks that splits regular tap water into HHO gas
and this is sucked up into the air intake such that the gasoline gets
a complete burn because hydrogen burns cleaner than anything else in
the universe and doesn't even require oxygen to do so. This will
clear out all of the gunk and deposits in the cylinders very quickly,
and I hope increase mileage by at least 25%. If you want I'll keep
you posted on my progress. I envision everybody going out and scoring
a great deal on an old beat up car and strapping on hydrogen
boosters! Since this is a BMW, it will be all the more sweeter.
Sorry, but I'm afraid that hydrogen _does_ require oxygen to burn,
though the engine will adjust the fuel mix based on the hydrogen intake
as long as the adjustment falls within the maps in the ECU (else it will
try as hard as it can and then light the MIL, aka check engine light).
So it might or might not be necessary to add O2 to the mix to get the
thing to run right if all you do is keep the H from the electrolysis.
Further, you'll have a _very_ explosive mix sitting around if you trap
both the H and the O2 from electrolysis and store them together...and in
perfect proportion. This is the basis of FAEs (fuel-air explosives) but
using pure H and O2 goes one better since atmospheric air is only 21% or
There's no way you can collect enough of this combination of gases top
be useful without compressing it, and compressing both together will be
very hazardous. Not to mention having it in the car in case of an
accident (assuming you even succeed in compressing it without it going
bang!). I hope this isn't what you're planning. If it is, I hope I'm
not near where you live or plan to operate this vehicle and that
innocent people are not injured.
Moreover, the energy spent splitting water into hydrogen and O2 will not
be regained in internal combustion no matter how you handle it. Unless
electricity is *dirt* cheap where you live, or you're using a renewable
primary energy source to generate it, you'll lose money on the deal.
You are old school, my friend. Obviously, the energy put into
splitting is greater or equal to than the energy gained, and the power
of hydrogen and oxygen combined is what NASA uses, but that is not how
this works. There is NO onboard storage of explosive gases. It is
produced as needed. The HHO or Brown's gas (there are debates as to
what is being produced exactly) helps the octane to completely burn,
whereas in a normal situation the octane is still burning as it leaves
the exhaust and relies on the catalytic converter to finish the job.
The minute amount of hydrogen is sort of like a catalyst that reduces
the time it takes for the octane to ignite so it burns faster during
the combustion cycle and therefore more completely resulting in more
power and increased mileage. There are many companies, led by the
Canadian ones who are already marketing these electrolysis units and
many truckers already have been using them for over a decade.
On Apr 19, 3:13 pm, email@example.com wrote:
Mythbusters did something liek this where they produced hydrogen and
allowed it to be sucked into the intake along with air, instead of
using gas(oline). It ran fine for a short while then the hydrogen ran
Yes! It is absolutely possible and feasible to run an ICE on
Hydrogen. But I won't be using hydrogen alone. I will simply be
helping the octane to burn better in the engine by adding a little
tiny stream of Hydrogen. Much safer.
On 19 Apr 2007 08:59:30 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
What exactly is OCTANE?
Octane is an Alkaline with the chemical formula CH3(CH2)6CH3. It has 18 isomers.
One of the isomers, 2,2,4-trimethylpentane or isooctane, is of major importance,
as it has been selected as the 100 point on the octane rating scale, with
n-heptane as the zero point. Octane ratings are ratings used to represent the
anti-knock performance of petroleum-based fuels (octane is less likely to
prematurely combust under pressure than heptane), given as the percentage of
2,2,4-trimethylpentane in an 2,2,4-trimethylpentane / n-heptane mixture that
would have the same performance. It is an important constituent of gasoline.
Octane has 18 isomers :
And you CAN actually distinguish the combustion of OCTANE in gasoline/petrol.
Do leave off!
On Apr 19, 1:09 pm, email@example.com wrote:
You're an Einstein with a bit of a Ham-ish glitter thrown in. Wow,
incredible breakdown of the constituents of gasoline, buddy. I am
impressed and informed. But did I say I could distinguish? It
matters not. Hydrogen helps in the combustion of all of these organic
(hydrocarbon) molecules. You could even add up to 15% ethanol (or
ethane if you had it on hand, but unlikely since its a gas) which
contains two carbon atoms per molecule and the pistons would still
On Apr 19, 12:54 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
You're a real Einstein, aren't ya? Of course the space shuttle
doesn't run off of water, the booster rockets do. More specifically,
the recombination of hydrogen and oxygen into water which releases
more energy per unit of reactant than any other combination. That's
why NASA uses it, among other reasons like...pollution. This has zero
On Apr 20, 10:43 am, email@example.com wrote:
Yes, actually you are correct. I should check on my facts a little
better. NASA did early experiments with liquid fuel and considered
using liquid fuel to replace the more dangerous solid rocket fuel
after the Challenger disaster. NASA has worked with other space
programs in developing the liquid fuel, though such as Russia and with
Japan and their rocket technology. Considering the dangerous nature
of solid rocket fuel with the equivalent power of liquid fuel, I think
the liquid fuel is a more robust choice, and NASA should switch back
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