Dynamo queston

They'd pulse whether they were AC or DC though - the "pulsers" were the old "bottle" dynamos which were simple two pole devices. These simply have a very variable output over their phase, whether they're rectified or not. As they're spun quickly, this isn't a problem.

Hub dynamos rotate more slowly so they need more poles to give a usably stable output. They're still AC though because they're just multi-pole devices with a single winding, not polyphase as car or larger alternators are. As it's unlikely that bikes would ever use polyphase AC lighting (three phases and three conductors) then the few truly polyphase bike dynamos around are DC output and use diodes to rectify their output.

The reason for them bothering to generate DC is so that you can have a capacitor backup to keep the lights on when stopped at junctions. These started to be quite sophisticated a few years ago, but they've now been overtaken by LED lights that can allow a year's commuting on a single battery change.

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Andy Dingley
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Umm back to school for you lad, the design of an alternator is not dependent upon the presence of diodes, alternators designed to produce AC (only) are still "turned inside out" cpompared to a dynamo. It's this design that makes the alternator efficient, the diodes are red herrings.

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Steve Firth

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Jim Warren" saying something like:

Exactly the same setup as older Suzuki bike alternators, then.

Yes, I remember that.

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Grimly Curmudgeon

And now there is the lightspin bottle dynamo with claimed efficiency of

95%. With no load the rotor can be spun by hand and it takes maybe a minute to stop. I hear you ask how does it do this! By using an ingenious magnetic circuit. The power is generated in stationary, rigid vertically mounted coils and the magnetic circuit is split on the inside and outside of this such that a magnetic flux moves past the coils but all magnetic poles stay in a constant relationship hence none of the stiff jerkyness associated with traditional dynamos. Some clever electronics provides constant voltage output and allows max power from about 5mph.

The SON is generally reckoned to be the "best" hub dynamo currently available, and there are kits to drive twin headlights where the 2nd lamp cuts in automagically at high speed and virtually no drag when switched off unlike some of the earlier Shimano offerings which at some speeds had more drag switched off than when powering a lamp. Go figure.

There are some LED lamps designed to be run off a dynamo which have a standlight feature built in so they keep lit even when stopped. From memory they use somthing like an integral 1 Farad capacitor as a reserve power supply.

Reply to
Gwyn Oakley

It is when it's in a uk.rec.cars.* group, unless you've misread the "AC Delco" label on the battery in your Cortina.

Reply to
Andy Dingley

The practicality of using them for cars, though, did depend on the development of good semiconductor rectifiers.

Ian

Reply to
Ian Johnston

Diodes are essential for use in a car, but the advantages of an alternator are not based upon the presence of diodes. You need to get back to school M8.

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Steve Firth

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