Historic Car Tax petition

The date being 16 Jul 2007, "Dave Plowman (News)" decided to write:

Well not really because more recent vehicles are more likely to get used more like new cars. When it comes to emissions that affect global warming there isn't a lot of difference. CO2 is directly related to fuel consumption so driving a small and/or efficient car whatever its age is more important than driving a new one. Cars without catalytic converters can do more mpg on 4* fuel, so the fuel duty penalty on leaded petrol is also counter-productive.

Is there any evidence that that happens around the 1973 cut-off point? It's more likely to be the case with a fixed point than with a rolling point. If you can look forward to the car becoming tax exempt the fact that you might have to pay tax for a year or two is less important.

When it comes down to it VED isn't a high proportion of the cost of running a car. Actually I think it should be scrapped altogether and we should tax use rather than ownership of vehicles. Now that MoTs and insurance details are held on databases we don't really need tax discs to check compliance.

I think if we are to have VED then we're going in the right direction by taxing new cars with higher emissions more heavily. But there doesn't seem to be any point in having the historic vehicle exemption unless it rolls forward at a particular age.

How dare you come into our group and bring such disrepute! You are disgusting!

Most cars before cats. had carbs and were much less fuel efficient than modern EFI types - especially on short journeys.

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morning Richard

Shame our GOVT in NZ dosn't see it he same way LOL, we only get a cheaper rate at 40 yrs plus. the good news is that my jem is nearly finished! Engines in, wheels are on, just sorting the wiring and then the interior and glass can go back in.

Tim

Tim,

It's the same here in Australia although the "Conditional Registration" ($60 a year compared to about $250 for normal rego.) has the sort of conditions that makes it useless if you want to use the car outside of club events. What I suspect is that, unless we are vigilant, cars older than 10 years will be legislated off the road. There are lots of ways it could be done.

Graham

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Things are moving that way in local decisions in the UK. My local council has suddenly decided on a policy of not granting Private Hire licences to cars over 7 years old or with a high mileage.

At the moment, a guy with a 25 year old Mercedes Limousine is lodging an appeal against their decision not to renew his Private Hire licence when it expires later this year. I have seen his limo - pure white and long wheelbase but not a stretch one. He has owned it since new, and it still looks in new condition.

I hope he wins. A bride needs something stylish to arrive at church in!

Jim

AFAIK cars used for weddings and funerals do not need local authority Private Hire licences, which is one of the two good reasons for owners of real classic cars not to extend their wedding work to airport trips, "special events", end of term show-offs, hen parties, and stag nights.

The real worry is that there's going to be a high-profile mishap involving an unsuitable or badly-maintained vintage, proper classic, or just plain old, wedding car, and that legislation freaks will immediately call for all wedding cars to be treated the same as hire cars or taxis. Wheelchair access to a Phantom II landaulette anyone?

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I'm involved with a limo company, you'd be surprised just how little legislation there is. You don't *need* a private hire licence to use pretty much anything with less than 9 passenger seats provided it's insured "Hire or Reward" and is only doing pre-booked, non-taxi work.

We use a Bentley Turbo R for the occasional wedding and all we do is ring up the insurance company the day before, inform them it is on wedding duty for one day and job's done. Costs about £15.

This owner also does airport trips ("arrive in style with no worries about parking"), hence he really is a Private Hire operator.

Jim

Something in real steel! Plastic doesn't cut it somehow, does it?

My local council, some years back, suddenly produced new rules for Private Hire licences (new applications) which left everyone rather puzzled to start with for the only change was to start quoting a minimum luggage compartment (boot/trunk) capacity for saloon and estate cars - that was until someone looked at the sales broacher for the then current (ex Fiat) Lada Riva(sp?) model range!