Not as funny as the fact that we'll see the same old complaints
popping up about them as the intrepids. I can only guess about the
magnums, but i can imagine visability will be one problem with it.
Poor daimer-chrysler, trying to slap a police package onto any vehicle
they can. Just doesn't work like that.
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:44:40 -0700, "robs440"
Current autotest report is the 2005 report. conducted september 04 -
Of cours,e if yuou'd like to point me to the 06 report, i'd gladly
change my opinion.
Of course, much of the problems, such as the fact the magnum scored
very low on the ergonomics front, its pursuit charachteristics would
have to be improved quite a bit to make it stand ahead of the
interceptor 9maybe the 5.7l engine will help there, if it doesn't ake
it too heavy) even so, as an SSV, it fared only passably well with
other SSVs, which themselves are not up to th e same jobs as the PPV.
As I said, unless there were radical changes for the 06 model-year
testing, I fail to see how the magnum/charger packages could 'rate
Michigan State Police tests
"Overall, based on the Michigan police's recently published final scores
for the 2006 model year, the Dodge Charger ran away with all the
performance categories. It fell short, however, in communications and
"Wilson refused to choose a specific "best car," saying that individual
police departments have their own needs and would have to balance the
performance number revealed by the testing against their own
requirements and vehicle costs."
They also tested the 6cyl Magnum as a "support vehicle" with similar
Yeah, I phoned my local GSP office, and had the report faxed over. I
wouldn't say, looking at the raw data, that it 'ran away'. They say
they won the performance categories, well kinda, spread over 4
vehicles. the magnum and charger, 3.5 and 5.7l of each. the 5.7
charger was the fastest, yes, but wasn't that much faster with the top
speed than the impala. Secondly, at the end of the report, its a
section that gives weightings to different sections, to give an
overall score, and THEN thats put agaisnt the bid price. When you're
looking at bid prices that, for the base magnum/charger, are over 50%
greater than the CVPI, for instance, you expect to have an equivilent
avillity score, which isn't the case. Next, if you'd read the report,
you'd see that its for a clean car, no equipment mounted, so the
performance figures are not likely to match reality - the very figures
that dodge is boasting of.
Also, a little point you should be aware of. police drivers will only
go as fast as they're confident of. The limited visibility in the
magnum at least casues me concern. I'd not be very confident in a
pursuit with such limits.
In the real world, performance isn't everything. Ford could take the
Volvo V70R, and stock, it'd give a performance value equal to that of
the magnum or charger, and would score better in the ergonomics/comms
section as well (the V70 is one of the favoured PPVs in europe - I
actually havea video of one that chased me on a UK motorway, and its
provida gave the PPVs peak speed as 144mph, that was a fully equipped
active duty vehicle, and only the T5, not the more powerfull R)
What you read was a press release. Such things emphasis the good, and
give the bad a cursery mention, if at all. I know my state patrol (who
are the most likely to do the high-speed pursuits praised so highly in
the press release) are considering one, maybe two chargers, to add to
their SPVs, but in the main, it'll be CVPIs.
I will have to agree with Flobert on this one. I personally saw the
Charger all kitted up and as a big man, there isn't as much room in the
front with the computer, emergency console, etc. I don't think that you
can really beat the Police Interceptor when it comes down to available
space. I even drove the Impala for about a year and that was even
worse. Everytime I got in the car, I was hitting my head and banging
into the laptop. And there wasn't enough legroom either. As much as I
am a Dodge and Chevy fan(Ford not being one of my preferences), I will
vote for the CVPI.
I do a lot of research in this area - friends and wifes reletives are
all in law enforcement, and there's often a sense of 'I can do
better'. Even more so when you compare to european forces. Of course,
their needs are different, higher speeds are more common, everyone
drives manual trnamission, and cars are always on continuous duty,
often double-manned, and generally aren't equiped with data terminals.
different horses for different courses. Of course, the only way to
really be cost-effective would be to find a decent engine/tranmission
source and build from scratch a purpose designed vehicle. The tests
could also do with adding more tests to reflect realism, things like
impact resistance, armour protection, or even its ability to perform
something like the PIt (a light car is obviously at a disadvantage
there), and of course, realistic economy figures, rather than the
static derived EPA crap.
When I started in law enforcement, I drove a 1979 Plymouth St Regis. That
baby would not smoke the tires but if you were already rolling, it was the
fast car in the force. It had a 360 with a 3 speed torqueflight
transmission. That car would set the grass on fire if you idle in the grass
while running radar. The catalytic converter got super hot. They bought it
used and it had over 100,000 miles. Drove it to I hit 200,000 miles.
Then issued me a 1978 Ford LTD with the long front end with push bars
equipped with A 460 engine with a police interceptor transmission. Bought
used with 60000 miles. Drove it until I totaled it while ramming a bank
robber suspect in order to stop the vehicle. Managed to stop the vehicle.
Suspect gets out of vehicle with a hostage and we surround the suspect. He
threatens to kill her and 10 seconds later one shot rings out and the
suspect is dropped to the ground from a sniper. Hostage survives and sues 4
police agencies involved in the pursuit and rescue for mental anguish and
unnecessary force used against the suspect. That car would take off fast
but the Plymouth would out run it.
Then issued me a 1980 Ford Crown Vic with a 350 Windsor that would not get
out of its own way. That was a hand me down form a Captain since he was
getting a new Crown Vic. I kept that car for 6 months when the engine went
out (oil pump) while responding to a hostage situation (domestic dispute).
Managed to arrest suspect after a 20 minute by myself gun pointing
negotiation. He decides to throw down the weapon and charge me on foot.
Managed to holster and whip his but while the 5 male adults and two females
present failed to help me subdue him. He was high on cocaine at the time
and three good knees in the kidney and two kicks in the groin dropped him.
He told the jailer the next day he did not know what I did to him but he was
The sheriff got mad a me and stuck me in the office, since that was two cars
within a month that he claimed I destroyed. The mechanic told him, that I
drove the car with no oil init and that was what burned the engine up. I
proved a week later that was not the case and the mechanic was lying to
cover his tracks since the captain had told him the oil pressure on that car
was extremely low and he needed to look at it. He never did. I had the car
gassed up and oil check by one of the trustees prior to shift and he told
the sheriff that car had to much oil in it.
Sheriff then sent me back to the streets with a brand new 1981 Dodge
Diplomat with a 318. That car drove like a tank and would not get out of
its own way. No cornering and not take off speed. Drove the Diplomat until
I was offered a chance to go into burglary patrol. I was then issued a
Dodge K car with no top lights that was purchased from a rental company.
Got in a pursuit with that car and it actual kept up. The pin was broken on
the speedometer so it circled back around. 30 miles later we ran the stolen
van into the ditch and arrest the suspect. Kept that car until I decided to
go into traffic division again.
I was then issued a 1986 Ford Crown Victoria. I stayed in traffic division
for 6 months when I was offered the SGT job on a shift. I accept and got to
keep my car. One year later, I was asked to take the LT job in dispatch
with no promotion and I weighed that decision hard. No more chases, fights,
gunfights and drunks to deal with. It was a no brainier. I took the job
and stayed there until I quit after 15 years of service to take a job in a
chemical plant making 3 times the money and better benefits.
The bottom line is the Fords handled better but the Dodges had more power
and top speed. I do believe the Charger will do go in police work since I
have driven several of the RT models while doing vehicle transfer for a
dealership. Did exceed my normal transfer speed once just to see what the
baby would do. After 125 MPH, I got nervous and backed down. New Orleans
Police stopped me about 5 miles down the road. The cop asked how fast was I
going and I would not tell her. She did not have a radar but when she was
getting on an exit, I was passing and she could not catch up with me until
I slowed down to the speed limit. She even gave me a break and did not give
me a ticket. She was more impressed with the car. My wife later on sold
her a Charger RT.
Pretty nice stories, probably that is all this is. Does trouble always
follow you. Very few police offices have that exciting a life. BTW, it
was a DODGE St. Regis. If it was a Plymouth it would have been a Gran
Fury. Also no K-car (turbo excepted) could get out of its own way. I
know, sister had an 83 with 2.2 L4 Aries and I had an 84 Dodge 600
(dressed up Aries) with the Mitshu 2.6L4. Even my mother though these
cars were too slow.
Professor Licker wrote:
there was a time cops preferred penestar products.........there's still a
few 74 440 fury's sitting in the CSP stable around the state when the damn
small bock fire laden fords cant catch their own shadow. most guys don't
like the anti locks either but they are adjusting.
trust me dodge prepared the cars. brakes, electrical, trans, cooling. its
Motorsforum.com is a website by car enthusiasts for car enthusiasts. It is not affiliated with any of the car or spare part manufacturers or car dealers discussed here.
All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.