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??? The sniff test tells exactly whats coming out the tailpipe. No "honesty" factor about it, the engine cannot burn what is not there. If you are worried that someone will modify after being checked with a sniffer, all the other tests and inspections suffer the same flaw. At least with the sniff test, we know the car is meeting the emissions regs, not just looking like it will.

Ah come on and give the poor bastard a break. It only took him eight grueling years to get through tranny school at high school tech. Now he thinks he has a doctorate. The only reason he passed was that he out grew the other kids and could no longer fit the desk.

beekeep

Sniff test? Never heard it called that but it does bring back memories.

beekeep

"Max Dodge" wrote in news:IDQGe.12006$W%5.10473@trnddc05:

Max, if you don't buy it, that's fine - you're not important enough for me to give a rat's ass about it.

"Roy" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

Wow, Roy's actually trying to keep score. Another lively weekend, eh?

No need to keep score. You talk about a lively weekend? You have around 15 post's over the past couple of day's dancing for Max. Guess you are having one. Keep up the entertainment, I'll check back on ya tonight and turn out the lights.

obviously, he is

he has you dancing like the trained pup you are................

"TranSurgeon" wrote in news:WI4He.227970 $nG6.199453@attbi_s22:

Another one without a life. LOL!

"Roy" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

Whatever floats your boat, bucko. Have a good one.

LOL, is this your lame attempt at reverse psychology????

you too, eh ?

I thought so

Yea, at that particular time which with a little creative tuning has nothing to do with what is normally comming out of the tailpipe every other day of the year.

Really, it can be temporarily tuned to burn fuel far more efficiently than it actually does under normal conditions which is dishonest now, isn't it?

I am not worried about it but it does happen and while it can still happen with many of the current inspections, many of the more recent ones make it much more difficult to do, especially the ODBII one.

It means no such thing, unless of course, the person owning the car is honest and brings the car for inspection tuned the way it is the rest of the time. Gee, there is that honesty thing again.

No, that is why he is no longer there. I doubt that he passed.

He definitely flunked car side manner.

beekeep

Ok......

Burning fuel efficiently means its burning correctly, which also means its at optimum power output for the amount of fuel input. Say, thats sounds like a performance objective.....Maybe the engine is tuned to pass a sniffer AND its making its best power?

Bullshit you aren't worried about it, both your previous statements say exactly that you are thinking someone will cheat on a sniffer test. Talk about spin, you say twice that someone could tune to pass the test, and retune for the rest of the year. Then when I say someone could do it to any test, you say you aren't worried about people cheating. WTF? Decide what you think THEN write, ok?

Gee, theres that "I'm not worried about it but I keep mentioning it" thing again. Face it, if its a matter of tuning, and we have proof that the car is not putting out excessive emissions, its probably not far from that the rest of the year. Its certainly better than a "it looks like it'll pass, but we have no idea whats coming out of the tailpipe." In that scenario, we have to worry about cheating, but we also have to worry that the stuff isn't working, even though its there.

I can see your argument going circular, so I'll let you blabber away at this point. I've made my point, even if you are too dense to understand it.

LOL, best power and maximum power usually have nothing to do with each other. Also and unfortunately, with current emissions standards in many cases the engine must be tuned leaner than maximum efficiency to pass.

Jeese, talk about spin. There is a big difference between worrying about something and knowing that it can and does happen. Like I said many times, comprehension is not as big thing with you. Talk about mastery of the language or the lack of it in your case.

Yea, and what's your point? Oh, that's right, as usual you don't have one. People can see what is happening without worrying about it.

LOL, if that were true, there would be no reason for these "improved" tests. Actually, the ODBII test is designed to save time over the rolling sniffer test and it just happens to be a little harder to fool.

What does this even mean? If the computer is functioning normally and the sensors are sending the correct data to it, the engine has to be at or near its lowest possible emissions. If a sensor fails, the computer is usually quick to notice it and flag a code but even if it didn't, it still reports sensor outputs and any competent tester can see if the output of something (like the TPS) doesn't look right. If the computer itself fails, the engine in most cases doesn't run at all so there is no "it looks like it will pass" BS about it.

Actually, there is much less chance of that with the ODBII tests than a sniffer test where the engine could simply be "rigged" to pass the test but you know that, right?

No, you realised that once again, you have no valid argument and are tyring to save face, as usual.

Okay - but if the sniff test is done at idle, what about engines with big, lopey cams, that are most efficient at 4000-5000RPM or so, and run super-rich at idle? If left tuned for best top-end performance, they'll surely fail the sniff test. Thus - the owners lean the snot out of them, get a 'PASS' sticker, pull over two blocks from the center, richen it back up, and light 'em up for 2 city blocks :)

First, it depends on the sniff test, those are performed in so many different ways its silly.

Second, its undeniable that someone will cheat the emissions testing.

If the concern is cleaner air, then certainly a sniffer will tell more than a visual inspection. If the concern is getting a car to pass regardless, by all means I like the visual withut a sniffer, the less they know the better, right?

The reality is that cars like you described, in PA at least, can be registered as classic or antique, and be exempt from emissions. Further, there is a clause for low mileage that allows a car to be exempt from testing.

But my point was/is, NO testing is foolproof, so a sniffer would likely catch more stuff than a visual, and would be a help to those with stock configurations.