FINALLY!!!! a good decision

Sorry bout that Tom. I jumped the gun with my sage advice prior to finishing your read. Mea culpa.

Door stop Paper Weight Something to throw at them

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Sorry couldn't resist

Whoa here!! I agree, a gun safety and use course is a great thing! I just dont understand why its brought up in the context of gun crime. It wont do a thing to help crime. Criminals won't take the course and could careless.

Rarely are crimes foiled by a gun owner. I have never seen any stats that show that gun owners are less common to be a victim of a gun related crime against them.

It is believed he was killed by a major mafia boss, not a typical japanese citizen.

No, you haven't.... because you don't seek them out, and you won't see these things reported by the media, either. Various studies put the number somewhere between 1.4 million and 2.5 million crimes prevented annually. These studies are a little dated, and personal firearms ownership has gone up since then, so I suspect the current annual number to be even higher.

"More Guns, Less Crime" John Lott

Maybe you just didn't look.

Steve

Show me solid proof that gun owners are less prone to be a victim of a gun related crime (not crimes in general). What I'm looking for is stats for total gun related crimes, Then a break down that splits it and shows numbers against gun owners. Showing number of prevented crimes in general means little when theres nothing to relate it against. Furthermore my original point was gun related crimes. For instance, how many potential murders were prevented for the single reason the would be victim was a gun owner and used it?

An opinion means little. I have seen stats that show in countries with tight gun controls crime rates are higher overall. However, violent crimes are lower.

It is obvious that your mind has reached its capacity, and is not taking in any new information.

Steve

No, I prefer factual information rather than your opinionated rhetoric.

NOT! The facts are there for you to read if you'd care to.

Steve

steve

you could not be more of a moron if you tried. you are a hoot.

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Well, I DID buy a Dodge truck, and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once.

Steve

like i said, don't quit your day job.

I did and told you those facts. You chose to ignore them because they didn't fit your own opinions.

| | Whoa here!! I agree, a gun safety and use course is a great thing! I | just dont understand why its brought up in the context of gun crime. It | wont do a thing to help crime. Criminals won't take the course and | could careless. | | Rarely are crimes foiled by a gun owner. I have never seen any stats | that show that gun owners are less common to be a victim of a gun | related crime against them.

Yeah, that's right, but since we have been tossing around both sides of the problem, I wasn't addressing responsibilities of the bad guys because they've already shown their propensities, they're criminals. I was addressing it from the standpoint of the good guys arming themselves for self-protection, and whether it works or not I guess, depends on where you are. Just today for example, some guy downtown (Pensacola) thwarted a home invasion because he was armed. The bad guy is in the hospital; No charges against the home owner. They have to be able to do it right. That's all that I am saying at this point.

The USA has more guns per capita than just about any other country in the world. With your logic our crime rate should be really low as a result. Instead our crime rate is rather high. Thats all I'm trying to say. I'm not anti gun, I own one. But I don't buy into the BS that more guns in society results in lower crime because people can protect and prevent them. World crime stats vs. number of guns per capita just doesn't show that.

that is not what I'm saying so don't try to spin my words.

what i am saying is that banning guns simply doesn't stop gun crime. they are criminals and will always have access to guns. if you ban guns then gun black market only gets bigger.

I'm not looking for 100% success its not going to happen but what i am looking at is NO FURTHER INFRINGEMENT ON OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

Hitting what you aim at...now that's my idea of gun control.

Who said anything about banning guns? Why do people such as yourself start running off on some tangent every time? Yes, some criminals are always going to get guns but some gun crimes are committed because of the ease with which to get a gun in our society. The crime is convenient. This VT ahole got a gun through the normal easy legal means despite being declared mentally ill and dangerous. Thats wrong and thats what I'm saying.

Define infringement? Should the mentally ill be able to get a gun simply by walking into a store and buying one? Preventing them from doing so is infringement?