Don't need to read it....
...it all boils down to the nation as a whole reducing our
consumption and dependence on the product. Boycotts
won't effect the price of fuel unless it's a boycott of OPEC
No, it won't work because we as a people don't give a shit. I'm going to
borrow some of the points on the video. not to be political. We went to war
under false pretenes's, no wmd's . Nobody is that pissed off. We now send
prisinors to other countries to be totrured, that's okay. We hold suspects
for years without charges or trial, that's okay. If you demonstrate and are
not in favor of the governments position or policy you are put someplace
else to demonstrate, if you are in favor you can stay, thats okay. Notice
that our government has banned all pictures of the flag drapped coffins
coming home, that's okay. The government is and has been doing massive
surrvalience on americans, wiretaps, the whole thing, that's okay. The New
Oleans screw up that is ongoing, of course that's not mentioned anymore,
We have imho, as country stuck our collective heads in the sand. We really
don't give a damn!!
Roy, my friend, quoting political comments can only be done as a political
But who's fault is it that the US doesn't care anymore?
Who killed God and /or kicked Him and His values out of society?
What generation decided there were too many laws then expects the government
to hand them everything, run everything?
And don't forget, most of the data on WMD's came from the previous
administration. The rest is the wonderful society OUR generation wanted.
So, who's fault is it?
Still, they are politically oriented which means they are a political
comment / statement. Roy, I tried to do the same with Bible scriptures in
another group and got ripped into for "prosyletizing".
At one time, you could have used those points in that manner, but today,
it's not allowed, especially if you're a (conservative / Christian [pick one
I disagree. Before Madeline O'Hare sued to kick God out of schools, before
schools were denied the right to discipline... heck, before PARENTS were
denied the right to discipline, people cared. neighbors helped neighbors,
you could stop to help someone without fear of carjacking. Do you remember
being able to stop on nearly any porch as a kid when it rained and being
stuffed with milk and cookies?
God was killed / kicked out...moral values destroyed / replaced with
justification for actions... why care if no one is worth caring about
because they are nothing?
And so it goes right down the drain. No values? So why fight for any rights
or values or whatever?
It's like the business in the group a few days back over my name. No one
else, because they don't have the values I have, could understand my side of
it. Some didn't even want to try to understand, which says nothing for their
values towards other people.
It all ties together.
It's a "Hell of a thing" when JFK didn't get caught at breaking laws,
Clinton didn't get caught at breaking laws, ...shall I go on?
Until our government is held to a set of incorruptable values, held
responsible to those values, which implies that the rest of the country, the
true "government" of the US, is held to higher values, you're only gonna get
Now, show me a set of values that are more perfect than those in the
As long as the claim the war is wrong because there were no WMD's found, the
source for the intelligence on the WMD's must also be recognized, the
To heap blame on one person who acted on information from another is
completely wrong. Would you want me to blame you for an argument between us
if you were only acting upon info from a third party?
Agreed, but I don't see any kind of plan to correct the problem coming from
the secular communities of the US. And the secularists don't want to hear
the religious communities thoughts on the matter. Look how you said it
wasn't about God.
Which God is the one that should be kept in schools? I do agree that
values have gone down the tubes but it isn't from God being kicked out
of schools. It's because people have decided everything is someone
else's responsibility. Parents are the ones that have decided not to
raise their kids and give the responsibility to government. Parents are
the ones who decided that when their kids are bad it is someone else's
fault so they won't be disciplined.
Sorry, Miles, but without guidelines, there was no reason to stay moral.
And that is where I differ. I am responsible, for my actions, for my home,
my city, my country. It's what my beliefs require of me.
True, and look where it's got us. Admittedly, in some cases, there wasn't
much choice in order to live a chosen lifestyle, but then, look what they
lost out on to have that life . . . .
No, that is the result of liberal psychologists, social workers, etc. hired
and ordained by the government to raise those kids. They're the ones that
say spanking is wrong, that schools can't punish offenders.
My kids were raised by Christian values and disciplines. Neither has ever
been in serious trouble and in every case they took full responsibility.
Example: My eldest broke one too many driving laws and got caught. He was
told to drive only to and from work but friends talked him into going to
another town. He broke a law and got home arrest. I went with him to the
hearing and the judge asked if I had any thing to say. I said ,"No, your
Honor, I'm his transportation. He has to be responsible for his actions."
The courtroom went dead quiet. The judge commended me and asked me to sit
down. When I turned around, I got dirty looks from all the young folks on
the docket, half their parents ( the other half smiled and nodded) and from
the court assigned social workers.
One doesn't need a God to have guidelines and morals. Why over the
centuries has the guidelines been changed to suit the ever changing ways
of society? The Catholic Church is a classic example of this. They
bend and change the guidelines based on pressure from society to do so.
Seems to me that God should decide those changes. I don't recall the
Pope ever saying that he had a chat with God and here is what he said we
I am one of 4 kids my parents raised. We were not raised under any
religion. But we were taught very strong values and disciplines. None
of us have ever been in serious trouble and we all take full
responsibility. It does not take religion to have values and morals and
Everyone thinks the Catholic church is all of Christianity. It is not. It is
far from being the Church established by the Disciples. I disagree with most
of the Cathoilic tenets and I do not have to pray thru fifteen layers of
sinful priests to be heard!!!
Good for them and for you, but you are the exception, not the rule.
The funny thing here Budd is that the only one complaining and accusing is
Perhaps because some of those twisted beliefs are currently falling out of
favor. It was the religious right that got our current idiot elected and
they did themselves no favor there.
People change as the circumstances around them change. As the level of
greed in this country escalates, the morals will decline.
Sorry Budd, but you are the master of justification.
We couldn't understand your side of it because it made no sense. If your
real name or even full name was used you would have had a valid point but
Budd is just a generic nickname that could be applied to anyone.
Oh yea, nobody from the right ever did anything wrong, LOL!
That goes for both sides Budd. Perhaps our current President and his staff
should be held accountable for the many needless deaths he is responsible
Show me the reality where they could ever truly exist.
More complete bullshit and yet another case of the right refusing to accept
responsibility for its actions. Any way to try and spin it Budd, he rushed
us in there with his head up his ass, no battle plan, insufficient
equipment, and no exit strategy and none of that can be blamed on anyone but
You do it all of the time. If he is going to send us to war, then he had
damn well be sure that his information was accurate and he didn't. Hell,
the information comming in just before he sent us there was clearly showing
that there were NO WMD's to be found, which is probably why he rushed us in
to begin with.
Because it isn't.
If at first you don't succeed, you're not cut out for skydiving
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