It sure seems the Greeny car buyers are ONLY looking at MPG and
whether or not it's a hybrid.
Newer technology always costs more until more people by that
I do no see a large jump towards greener cars, in fact I see people in
middle-class incomes tending to buy gas-guzzlers which much cheaper
technology. They're willing to pay high prices for gas and do not buy
into the CO2 myth either.
People settle for 25+ mpg cars/trucks now and they want a car/truck
with power and comfort. This means they want a bigger car that is 100%
The gov't will come along at some point and force us all into
expensive cars with high technology built-in.
Has it occurred to anyone that if the America driver shaves 10%-20% of
their gas consumption that OPEC will simply raise the price of oil to
make up the difference in profit lost?
$5-10$ per gallon gas will happen and that savings will be gone in a
I guess some people just what to 'feel warm' inside and not care that
their actions forced poorer people to become more poor.
The point of a hybrid drivetrain is to *reduce* fuel consumption while at
the same time allowing the consumer to have a comfortable ride in a car that
will last at least 7 to 12 years. Because of the higher cost of the hybrid
drivetrain, the consumer doesn't really save money until the reduced fuel
consumption has covered the premium paid for the hybrid drivetrain.
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:02:04 GMT, Scott in Florida
I seriously doubt the 'average' lifespan of a Prius will end up being
12 years. I said average.
I also doubt the 'average' life will be 200K miles, yes I said
Everyone has that 'story' of this 'car' that gets 477k miles because
they did the right things and took proper care unlike those 'other
1 out of 100 maybe, you and someone else but the others out here
aren't going to get those years or miles out of a car.
Which was my point, but you can all tell the fish stories.
Wouldn't that take 300,000 - 500,000 miles?
I'd love to see an article on the person who is first with a 100k
prius. I'd also like a copy of his credit card/other accounts to see
if he made any 'repairs' during that time.
I heard someone say 200K miles was the payoff point on the Prius, but
what if like a lot of people you never make it to 200K miles?
So cars are unlucky, even if they "average" 200K miles of life. Every
car of that model is not going to get 200K miles even with proper
If I offered a fund where you give me $5K per year for a return of $2
Million in 30 years? Sounds good. Ok, what if I said "You can't touch
it before 30 years even if you were willing to take a penalty"?
I'd probably keep the money of 90% of the people.
No, not really. It is difficult to determine the "break even" point on a
Prius because there is no conventionally powered version of the car. My
guess is that the break-even point on a Prius vs. a 4 cylinder Camry is
around 75,000 miles with gas at $3.00 per gallon. The 2 biggest variables
are fuel cost and driving conditions.
There are quite a few Prius with well over 100,000 miles, most notably in
Taxi service in NYC. The article I read said that there were no repairs
other than normal maintenance.
100,000 miles used to be considered the average life of a passenger vehicle,
but 200,000 is very common now.
Buying a $20K car, making payments, with interest and depreciation the
car was bought for around $25K and five years later is maybe worth
$10K, plus all that repair work and getting busy, in the hybrid's
case, finding a new battery. Batteries lifetime stamp doesn't say
"4ever and ever"
I wonder what those batteries do to the environment when they're
Or when they're made?
I have one car I paid $15,000 for. One that cost $600 (plus about $1200 in
parts so far) and one that cost $150+$400 for parts. So, I'm under the
$20,000 so far...
Let's see how much more the Supra can nickle and dime me for, like a
Toyota tech friend of mine said it would...
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:03:08 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
Actually, the 'loop' for Highway ratings is 45 MPH. Nowhere near actual
driving conditions (Unless you're in LA where it should be 8MPH...)
And in all actuality, EVERY Toyota I have ever owned has bested it's EPA
Highway rating by at least 10%...COMBINED mileage. My Corolla GTS was
rated at 32 MPG highway, I got 36 MPG combined. My Corolla SR-5 was rated
at 28 MPG highway, I got 34 Combined. My Tercel was rated 33 MPG Highway,
I got 45 MPG Combined. And I don't drive like an Old Man, either. A lot of
trips in the Tercel were at least 70 MPH, and a few at 80. Likewaise, the
GTS was always run on the highway at 70 MPH, even when the speed limit was
55. Running at 55 MPH dropped the Combined MPG to 30 or less.
On a MPG/Cost of car, ratio, how do those cars rank?
I ask because I can find a 15 yr old 200K miles car in the newspaper
for $900 and it would get no more than 12MPG. So my MPG/Cost of car
ratio would kick some ass.
With a new car around $20K, and my imaginary car costing $900, do you
realize how many gallons of gas I could buy with $19,100 ? How many
miles could I get @ my 12MPG? In the long run, even 5 years or longer,
I would win in money saved. I don't see how this could even be
Get the calc.exe handy please.
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