Good post- you hit the nail.
GM makes the best domestic cars, always have, always will.
Ford makes some "interesting" products, just like Chrysler did- but
overall, GM has the better engineers, better engines, better cars.
That's why GM has been the biggest car co. in the world- FOR DECADES.
It's pretty hard to sell new cars to people, when the old ones you sold
10-15 years ago were built so well, they are still running fine like
clocks. Where's the incentive to go in debt $25grand and buy another
you can only drive a car so much !
Um no. And if that's the way you feel, why are you in Ford NG's?
Biggest doesn't mean best. GM makes a lot of crap and has done so FOR
DECADES. It's size means that they have gotten away with it FOR DECADES.
True... Which is why it takes an interesting car at a good price to get me
considering buying a new car. Another issue is the dealerships. No matter
how good the new product is, just going in there is an unpleasant
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:46:35 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org
(Brent P) wrote:
Exactly...GM is now paying for screwing customers since the late
To evade stupid, useless crap posts like the one you just dealt with,
global kill file the following:
...and the problem will go away.
The "problem" is Charles M. Nudo, Jr. of Drums, PA...the "Jelly Jar
King of Drums," as he's known by, a paranoid delusional nut case who
likes to make his own reality as he goes along. This nutbag has had
no less than 14 (soon to be more) Google Groups accounts shut down for
spam, harassment, posting of personal information, and other miscues.
There is NO reasoning with this fucktard....just kill file him. He's
too stupid to use a newsreader, so he thinks that by "bumping" posts
he'll remain on top of the thread list. Little does he realize that
only works in Google, which no one with a brain uses.
GM itself proved this with the Saturn project. When people found out
that non-commissioned sales people would be simply filling orders for
new cars, Saturn took off like a Saturn rocket. However, GM, always
looking to screw people, started allowing their Saturn dealers to
start doing "workarounds" to the non-commissioned sales rule, tacking
on huge "spiffs" onto things like finanacing, insurance and dealer
"add-ons." Now, most Saturn dealers are just as bad as the rest of
them, and falling Saturn sales tell the tale.
Ford, over the years, has had some of the worst dealers of all, both
for sales abuse and service. "Fence jobs" in Ford service departments
were the rule...take the car in, decide the customer's a dumb shit,
park the car along the back fence for about a week, call the customer
for pick-up, charge them $500 for transmission work, "tune up",
whatever. They tried to "fence job" me on a new '70 Ford with a 3-2
part throttle downshift flare, and I caught them. Ford's zone office
paid me for my trouble and made the dealer pay an independent shop for
a new intermediate band servo seal job.
To be fair, I caught a Toyota dealership doing this with '70s Toyotas
with B-W automatics. They'd take the cars in, tell the owner that the
transmission was "shot," "fence line" it, then deliver the car in a
week with not a wrench being put to it. A seal placed on the
transmission pan told the tale. Toyota refused to revoke the dealer's
franchise, and that was back years ago, but the state threatened to
take away their license unless full refunds were paid out.
After Billy Boy Ford's mismanagement, he has a LOT of clean-up work to
do, probably as much or more than Iacocca did when he started to turn
Chrysler around in the '70s. Billy Boy thought that people would come
in droves to buy things like F-150/250s, Expeditions and Lincoln
pickups, while neglecting and not fixing problems with the Focus
project, following King Henry II's dictum of "mini cars, mini
profits," and banking the whole company's "car" future on the 500
project, which is turning out to be a turd, as is the Tempo-esque
"Fusion." The "retro" Mustang has a limited market at best, and their
callous marketing ploys (you can only get upgraded interior and
appearance packages like the GT with a V8, silly in that sized car)
have dampened a lot of sales.
The challenge to Mulally will be to put Ford's money where their mouth
is on the fuel cell project. If they can crack that nut, the Japs,
finally, will be in big trouble. It will require regime change in
Washington (part of which will happen in about 10 days) and rejetion
of many Ford family paradigms. The Ford family, like everyone in
power at GM, is too tied to the oil industry to be useful in
converting the country away from petroleum-based fuel. For a
turnaround to work, the Ford family MUST be removed from company
operations, once and for all time.
The Ford family will NOT try to take the company private again.
They're not THAT stupid. Doing so would rather be like Cunard
launching a new "Titanic II" in 1913. The running away of Billy Boy
pretty much showed the family's hand...rats running from a sinking
Oh...before you decide to go for that V8 Mustang or F-150 gas guzzler,
oil spot market prices are back on the rise again, over $60/bbl and
rising as I write this. Looks like the Saudis aren't waiting for the
Ford's marketing tends to turn everything they touch bad if it wasn't
already a bad idea from the get go.
The problem is not using petroleum-based fuel, as there is enough oil in
the americas alone to keep using gasoline. The problem is that oil isn't
a free market. Huge barriers to entry from infastructure to regulation to
politics allow big oil to do as they please. That's where a
non-petroleum-based fuel comes into play, to turn the fuel business back
to something more like a free market. Exactly what large corporations do
not want. They want the market fixed in their favor as much as possible.
Actually I am not going to make my next purchase based on fuel economy.
I'd rather have a car I'll enjoy and use my bicycle (which I also enjoy)
to compensate for any shortage in fuel economy. Now what would have been
nice is to have had something come of the super-stallion project.
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