Toyota Accused of Hiding Evidence...Unreal

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KEITH
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Wrong newsgroup, clown.

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Desertphile

Actually... quite noteworthy.... after the Explorer roll-over debacle, it might finally come to peoples attention that it is drivers that are inherently unstable - vehicles have their own dynamics... A Ford Super Duty and a Ferrari might not come out very equal on the G pad....

All the same.... Ford seems to be the one most love to hate... and Toyota has been cast as "pristine"....

An article such as this can be vindication.

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Jim Warman

When it was all said and done, the courts and the NHTSA concluded rollovers of Explorers was caused by defective Firestone tires, not the design of the Explorer.

There are still hundreds of thousands of Explorers still on the road and not rolling over that had "General" tires as well as those that no longer have defective Firestone tires.

Reply to
Mike

I don't recall saying ANYTHING about Explorer rollovers... and I didn't need a history lesson, thanks...

Toyota has always been portrayed as some sort of golden boy... whenever it can be shown that their feet are made of clay, it is noteworthy... even if someone thinks it is the "wrong group".

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Jim Warman

Or they are running the firestone tires at the "right" pressure. It was a combination of the charateristics of the firestone tire and the pressure Ford recommended they be run at.

Reply to
clare

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Reply to
clare

That may be your opinion but the is not what the courts and the NHTSA concluded. They determined the problem was caused by defective tires, period. Search the Congressional Record for the facts, WBMS

Reply to
Mike

Mike... this is old history... let it rest... The crux of the thread is the accusations against Toyota and whether they would be relevant in this NG...

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Jim Warman

BS. I never ran mine at anything lower then 30 psi and they were absolute crap the whole time they were on the truck. They were unbalanceable and rode like they were square. Not to mention how they pulled badly to the side. We've had many Firestones at work, some models are ok and others are nothing but repeated failures. I've had more problems with firestone tires over the years then with any other brand. It has nothing to do with pressure and everything to do with crappy design and construction.

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Ashton Crusher

Some years ago there were Toyota's whose electric locks were shorting out and locking people in their cars and then catching fire. It was hardly mentioned in any papers. If a $1 part breaks on a Ford the owner has a fit. If a $1000 part breaks on a Toyota the owners just shrug it off.

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Ashton Crusher

Except those tires were SAFE on other vehicles (and apparently at higher pressure on the same vehicles)

Reply to
clare

It would be 1976.... I had a 1973 F100... nice little truck in spite of the Firestone tires installed on it... The only thing they ever did well or predictably was separate... not me... never again... I feel safer running on bare rims....

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Jim Warman

This is not ture in many cases because the same exact tires were not used on other non-Ford vehicles. The Firestones on Explorers were not exactly the same as tires of the same name sold aftermarket. But, the exact same tires as were used on the Explorers were used on Rangers and they failed on those as well - and I know this from personal experience since our 1999 Ranger came with them. And on Rangers the pressure recommendation was higher. And remember half the 1996 Explorers were sold with Goodyear tires that had no failure problems despite having the same pressure recommendations as the Firestone tires (my 1996 Explorer came with the Goodyears).

The spin masters at Firestone did their best to try and sell the idea tht the tires failed becasue of the application, but this was a lie and they knew it. Ford's pressure recommendations were well above the minimum pressure that were needed to safetly support a properly loaded Explorer, assuming the tires met industry standards. Firestone's own executives finally admitted this in testimony before Congress, but for whatever reason the press and public never acknowledged this fact.

Ed

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C. E. White

That may be your opinion but the tires involved were OEM on Explorers only, dummy

Reply to
Mike

I wonder how badly Bridgestone was hurt by their poorly made Firestone tires?

Reply to
Mike

I am not sure poorly made Firestone tires are an exception for Bridgestone. I've owned three sets of Bridgestones tires in my life, and have yet to be happy with any of them. I just bought an expensive set of Bridgestones for my Fusion based on Tire Rack reviews. I am not satisfied with them - at least considering the cost. My Sister's new RAV4 came with Bridgestones (Japanese Bridgestones at that) and at less than 32k miles, they are already nearing the end of life. Not a greaet advertisement...

Ed

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C. E. White

I try not to buy imports or from foreign corporations whenever possible, particularly Japanese corporations

Reply to
Mike

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Anecdotal evidence is not worth a tinkers damn, Ed.....I sold many sets of Bridgestone tires, primarily Dueler APTs to my customers and have had three sets on two trucks and one van. Not one complaint about tires wearing out prematurely, not performing up to expectations. For example, my 82 F250 has those tires on it for 85,000 miles and are still about 3/32 over worn-out measurement. So one man's poison is another man's gravy, I guess....Also, one other tidbit regarding the Firestone tires on Explorers - in Alaska, Firestones were the OEM tires on explorers in that time frame and guess what - not one failure reported....I do remember that Firestone (Bridgestone) admitted to one bad batch (total number I can't recall) of tires from one plant. For whatever that is worth...

DaveD

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Dave D

The problem was not with Bridgestone tires, it was the Firestone brand tires made by Bridgestone

No need to guess, one can search the Congressional Record for the NHTSA and the Senate investigations that resulted from the Firestone tire problem.

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Mike

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