1994 Chevy Lumina minivan w/ 3.1L V6 TBI 141,000 miles quit dead
going up a hill the other week (There is fuel but no spark
Towed to chevy dealer who said it was the timing chain (about $1,100).
Just wondering how acturate this call is. My brother didn't hear it
I'm guessing there would have been a loud noise. Also there hadn't
signs (like noises) leading up to the incident.
The van will start, turn the serpentine belt but not the rotor
I looked in the oil filler hole to try and notice any rocker movement
while cranking the engine -- none could be seen.
I swapped out the ignition coil. No different.
Also removed the TCC connector to see if that might be the problem --
also no go,
cranks but no run.
I guess what I'm asking before I try and tear off the timing cover
Could there be anything else like the ECM or something else besides
the timing chain that could cause the cranking but no run. And I'm
hoping there is!
Sound like to me is timing chain as well. Check for engine compression or
pop the valve cover off which ever the easiest. Perhaps someone else here
may have experienced this before but that is what I would do.
If there is no rocker movement, there is nothing driving the cam (and
rockers), hence, your timing chain is gone (or a component thereof). Take
the timing cover off and fix it. Chains (and sprockets) are not much money.
If you are having it done, phone around to price the labour. It sounds high.
Les, I have had the same experience you just described with my 3.1L V6, the
timing chain let go when I was climbing a hill also. No warning.
Not good news because the 3.1L is an interference engine,which means
internal engine damage. A couple of bent valve at the least.. Good luck.
Thanks everyone for your posts.
JoJo could you give more details on your experience. Could you hear the t.c. go?
Loud? Did you repair it yourself? If so any advice will be greatly appreciated.
How did you determine which valves were damaged?
But my biggest question is what does "interference engine" mean. Not at all
with that term.
I guess it's off with the t.c. cover as soon as this rain stops.
Probably the easiest way (if the timing chain broke) is to install
a new chain and gears, and then do a compression test. This will
let you know which holes have the bent valves.
> But my biggest question is what does "interference engine" mean. Not at
In simple terms, it means that the valves and the pistons occupy the
same space, but at different times when the crank to cam relationship
is correct. So, if you break the timing chain, the camshaft stops turning
(which means that "some" valves will be held in the open position) and
the crankshaft keeps turning (which means that one or more of the pistons
will encounter an open valve as it reaches the top of it's travel) until
it does some damage.
On these engines, if all you need to do is confirm that the t/c is
broken, just remove the oil filler cap, and have someone crank
the engine while you watch the valve train. If it doesn't move, you
most likely are looking at a broken chain.
Like you I was climbing a hill when mine let go . I heard something break, a
definite metal but not a real loud noise. Car stopped dead and would
crank but not restart.
Fuel but no spark. No rocker movement while cranking.
Ian answered the rest of your post the way to proceed is to install a new
timing chain and do a compression test. If you have good compression in each
(highly unlikely) then your ok to go.
In my case I had two cylinders without any compression. Two badly bent
valves. I had a friend repair mine so I got away cheap. The head has to come
off the motor to asset the damage.
The $1100 the dealer quoted does that include the timing chain plus internal
Dealer quoted only for "timing chain kit". He said it was involved as
they would have to remove engine to work on it. But nothing else was
My brother says he never heard anything when it went.
Looking at the Haynes book and other sources the instructions are to
of components to get to the timing cover: belt,water pump, alternator,
driveplate access cover, vib. damper, oil pan ( though I came across
some postings about workarounds for just loosing two front oil pan
bolts and levering timing cover out).
JoJOo, did you and friend have to remove the engine to work on the
These minivans are tightly packed. I see where folks have to undo two
to angle(pull) the engine forward to access the back sparkplugs. What
are... where are dog-ears? I read where one guy parks on a hill in
neutral undoes dog-ears; then shifts into park which jerks the vehicle
forward causing the engine to lift out/ angle -out -- so he doesn't
have to wedge it out w/ a prybar.
You can pick the timing chain kit up for less than $100 can.
$1100 to install a new one seems very expensive to me. Shop around. My
friend took about 2 hrs to install a new chain. The motor did not have to be
removed to change the chain or replace the bent valves, but I drive a sedan
(Corsica) not a Van.
Not sure what's involved to get at the timing chain on your Van or where the
dog-ears are but I am sure Ian can help you through step by step.
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