My point exactly.
Since my regular mechanic does not do inspections, I took the car to
this other mechanic who gave me bull not only on ball joints but also
on rear brake shoes (this I did not mention earlier lest these other
people start getting fits over it). My regular mechanic looked at the
shoes and said that they will have to be replaced eventually but not at
the moment. Hence the car should have passed inspection. Now I have to
go to another shop to get this done.
You are right, of course. But I'd venture to say that most
customers are honest, but some are crooks.
I had an interesting little episode last weekend that has absolutely
nothing to do with ball joints, but reading your post reminded me
of what happened.
I was down at our shop on a Saturday...working on my wife's
car....checking out the A/C. A "customer" came barreling into
the shop....asked me "do you work here"? I said "yes, I do".
He then asked "why did the fellow that I phoned tell me that
there are no mechanics working on the weekend"? I said: "because
I'm not "working" today, but I do "work here"!
Anyway, he claimed that we had pulled the seat out of his truck
(which we did) and damaged his rear half door so that it wouldn't
open. He was going on a fishing trip with his truck and was quite
excited about the whole thing.
Hey, no problem...I said I'd take a look at it. Pulled it in to the
shop and got the door apart and had a look inside. It was
obvious that the door had not been working for awhile and was
not the result of anything that the technician had done. I didn't
say anything, but just went and got the door latch from parts,
ordered another part that it needed and jury rigged the lower
latch with a hose clamp until the part came in. He was happy
as could be, gave me complements about how I was changing
his view about mechanics integrity....etc.
We took his truck in to the shop the day before because he
was whining that he had to get it fixed. He had no appointment,
the truck was a used piece of shit that he had gotten out in
British Columbia and the air bag light was on. Turns out the
vehicle had "probably" been thru a river, the SDM under
the seat was corroded.
Then he comes in on a Saturday, claiming we broke all this
other stuff. The nerve! Whatever, I fixed it, got him on his
way...and he still has to come back for the other part. When
he does....I'll have a little chat with him about "honesty and
I've run into many, many dishonest customers. We actually
have to have all sorts of controls and checks in place in order
to protect ourselves from them.
Would it not be better to answer the question I posed rather than post
irrelevant messages? If I need to know about judgement problems that I
may or may not have, then I would ask for it and since I didn't, let's
just stick to the question on hand.
I took my truck to Kal Tire for a free inspection because I heard a
noise in my front end. They said everything had to be replaced,
including 5 parts that were just replaced a year ago. They quoted me
$2200.00 Canadian. I took it to my friend at a ford dealership
"although my truck is a GM". He told me that I needed a pitman arm, rag
joint, 1 upper ball joint, 2 shocks, idler arm, but the other "roughly
13 parts, 20 grease nipples to give you an idea" were fine. He said he
couldn't move the other 3 ball joints. Anyway, I bought the parts for
$500.00 and put them in myself. Anyway, they are right telling you that
since it was just one ball joint, sounds like the guy was being
truthful. I would have fallen for that. You, otoh are also right in
getting a third opinion and have every right to get a 4th opinion in
this ng. I never get scammed by mechanics "anymore", but the free
inspection was too tempting. Nothing is free.
A squeek in the front end that go's away when you apply the brakes.
Sounds like a "wear tab". This is a metal clip attached to your brake
pad that rubs against your rotor once your pads are worn down that will
let you know when your pads are almost worn out. I bend mine back until
the next sunny day, or the weekend, when I have time to replace them.
Anyway, I haven't read all your posts. You have probably already had
that checked out. GL
You know, I read about that and I am going to check it over the
weekend. No-one on this group has suggested the 'wear tab'. Of course
if you go over the posts on this topic you will see some people who
were hell-bent that it is the ball joint (because a mechanic said so),
some who did psycho-analysis of the problem and gave solutions/opinions
on everything but the problem on hand (I think that was because they
did not know the answer and were just being defensive on their lack of
Your description of the problem was dismal at best! It took you 3 to
4 posts before anyone got "all" of the information. I realize that people
like you probably imagine that everyone has a crystal ball...but it sure
helps when you are more specific.
The other way you can figure out what's wrong is to simply drive
it until (your brakes start grinding, there...it was the wear sensor) or
(the ball joint comes apart, there.....it was a worn ball joint). You'll
figure it out eventually!
As you have no doubt seen, your post does come under the ones where you
give opinion/solution on everything but the problem on hand (see my
above posts). if you do not understand a problem, the solution is not -
"crystal ball" but a reply asking for more information. I do not know
how stupid you have to be to continue on this path but that is your
I've been here a while. Most people have probably given up responding
to your request for info. Why on earth people inhabiting these newsgroups
should have to "ask" you for more information is beyond me. You are
the one looking for info...get your ducks lined up "before" you venture
And in all that time you still have not learnt anything and I suspect
that there are many things beyond you. So don't put too much pressure
on that brain. No-one's putting a gun to your head to respond. It is
your choice. If you feel that the information is not sufficient to
answer then you can either ignore the post or ask for more information.
Rest of the stuff you can either keep them to yourself or stuff it in
your 'you know where'. is that clear or is it still 'beyond' you?
Hey pal, why don't you follow your own advice and STFU. You came here
askiing for advice, the advice given wasn't to your liking. Instead of
following your own advice (Rest of the stuff you can either keep them to
yourself or stuff it in your 'you know where') you have made numerous posts
, such as the one above, letting everyone know how you feel. We all heard
you the first time, so, if you are unhappy posting here just STFU and LEAVE.
Ian has been a long time member here as is always willing to help anyone.
He aslo is very knowledgable and his advice is usually spot on. You seem to
be just a whiner with a never ending list of things to whine about. You
asked for advice, it wasn't to your liking and you let everyone know this.
Everyone heard you the first time, but for some reason you have been
carrying on about this for over week. So lets see if you can now follow your
own advice, if you don't have anything positive to say and/or cannot answer
the question then " Rest of the stuff you can either keep them to yourself
or stuff it in your 'you know where'. is that clear or is it still 'beyond'
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!
maybe you should start STFU yourself. No-one asked you about your
opinion. Ian got what he deserved when he questions why people should
reply to incomplete posts etc. etc. and if you think that a few
'bullies' like yourself can gang up and make this group your personal
domain then you are more fu'ed up than you realize.
Ian could be a great mechanic (even though he has not provided any
meaningful response on this post), but that does not give him the right
to question anyone's right to post.
So maybe you guys need to leave this group and join a personal AOL like
chatgroup where you can question 'rights' of other people. till then
take care of your own door and your own ass. the door might simply miss
the big hole you got there
Lets see, Ian = DEALER technician for GM with a LOT of years of actually
working on autos and giving correct advice when given the CORRECT INFO.
Someone who gives info that indicates a bad ball joint who is told the
same by at least two mechanics and many folks here. Who then proceeds to
WHINE about this and insists that it can't be the ball joints but could
be many other items. Who's only replies seem to insist that folks fuck
off when they give advise he doesn't like and that mechanics are all out
to scam people.
Must be a great mechanic you trust if he cannot tell a bad ball joint.
They are not just looked at during inspections. Oh and if he doesn't do
inspections maybe HE is wrong about the wear on the brakes and the ball
joints. NAA that couldn't happen.
So My suggestion- LEAVE since you seem to dislike the folks here.
A wear tab would be considerably inconsistent with the descriptions you've
put forward up to this point. Bob threw a good idea on the table given the
poor descriptions you have offered, but it's not consistent with what you've
stated. Wear tabs don't make noises over bumps. Nor do they squeak. They
make a grinding noise.
People offered you a good amount of information on ball joints because
that's what you came in here telling everyone was diagnosed on the car. As
well, you have described symptoms consistent with a ball joint problem. You
clearly know nothing at all about cars yet you somehow feel empowered to
author the above in which you castigate those who do have experiences and
who have offered up thoughts. In particular, you make nothing short of a
complete ass of yourself in your diatribes with Ian. You sir, are nothing
but a crank.
I could think of nothing more fitting than that the front end of your
rolling hunk of junk fall out in your driveway because you are too cheap to
just get the car fixed.
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