I think I would have went to a Goodyear tire shop and got those tires
replaced, if they were that bad. Michelin doesn't make the best tire either,
my Blazer wore them out in 35,000 miles. I replaced them with Coopers and
they lasted over 45,000 miles, at which I sold the vehicle, and they still
didn't look that bad. My opinion is Michelin are over rated. The Goodyears
on my Z-71 still had better than half the tread at 45,000 and rode great,
but the tires need to be rotated every 8-10,000 miles.
Well Lurch, tread life is only one factor. Tire design is a bag of
trade-offs, with things like tread life, traction (dry, wet or perhaps
mud and snow too), heat dissipation, maximum rated speed, etc. all
playing a role.
While I do not know if it is the situation in the case you mention, I
do know that typically when long lasting tread life is prioritized,
traction (especially dry) is usually degraded as a design trade off.
Personally, I prioritize on traction over tread life because my life
is more important than the tread's life.
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:48:08 -0500, "The Adams Family"
Ref my above message, even though the tires were warranted by the tire
manufacturer, my dealer changed and replaced the tires twice. ( I am on my
3rd set @22000 miles. 02 silverado ext cab) It may be due to my complaint
within the 2nd week of ownership that they felt responsible. On my previous
truck, premium tires (goodyear) were on my invoice. I had a lot of trouble
with them as well, and after several alignments, rebalancing etc. I
demanded a warranty claim to the GY tire shop. I was told that they would
pro-rate them on the remaining tread. The pro rate was on the MSRP of the
tires which turned out to be more than the same tire on sale at that dealer.
I bought Michelon m/s and they were on the truck when I sold it (92
silverado 4.3)@ 88,000 miles. All the vibration, shaking, uneven wear went
away as soon as I dumped the GYr's.
Yeah, I had GY on my car (were the orginals install by factory). They
were performance tires but let me tell you, their traction in the wet
was sooooo horrible it was scary. Truly scary because it was
magnified by having gobs of power to the drive wheels. I put on some
Michellin Pilot Sports and have noticed a DRAMATIC improvement in wet
traction. I have also noticed improvement in other areas though to a
lesser degree than the wet traction improvement.
Yeah, finally, 3 weeks and 1400 miles after purchase, the Tahoe rides
like a dream. I purchased a pick up truck at a GMC dealer and they
offered to service the Tahoe for me as well. It is a longer drive but
now I don't mind the drive. To me, Customer Service means just that,
customer & service. Lately it appears that Customer Service has become
the name of a department where the customer has become the enemy and
must be dealt with accordingly.
I invite anyone to read the customer comments/reviews on the Goodyear
LS and LS2 tires on the Tire Rack web site. They seem to be dog tires
and I would hope that the NTSB would check that site out too.
As for Toyotas, the one and only 4 Runner I had was built for a shorter
person and I chose not to have the seat permanently moved back an inch
or two. Therefore, it was my one and only foreign built car. Oh, also
it would not get out of its own way with a very slow V-6 engine.
I'm glad things have worked out for you. I have a Wrangler that I was
going to get rid of because of the ride, but I put a set of the
Michelin LTX's on it and now I plan on keeping it at least a few more
years. I'm afraid that what you describe at the GM dealership has
spread to almost all dealerships. In years past dealers seemed to see
Customer Service as a loss leader, a way to build customer loyalty and
increase future sales. Now, they see it as a profit center, a way of
making more money off anyone that comes in. The last 4 vehicles I've
bought at dealerships are Jeeps. I still have 3 of them, but in the
last 10 years I've failed to find a Dealership where I consider their
shops both honest and competent. I spent 4 hours one Saturday morning
trying to get a 30 minute oil change only to find out they were trying
to charge me an additional $272 for a front end alignment I had not
authorized and did not need. I know people who have had experiences at
Nissan dealerships that were just as bad. One friend that drives a
Murano checked his oil after getting back from an oil change and found
that the oil was a pint low and obviously dirty. The oil filter had not
been changed, either. Both things that he'd paid for. So, I understand
your frustration, but I don't think the problem is just limited to GM.
Andy C.(never #)
I think that sometimes the manufacturers cherry-pick the best tires,
and the second best go to the tire shops. Years ago I had great luck
with Goodyears on a new car, 40K miles + and totally even wear. I put
4 new Goodyears on it, then a few months later went to have the
balance checked for a long trip. The Goodyear service tech showed me
with a runout gauge where all 4 tires were unbalanceable - either out
of round, or extremely wobbly. Never bought Goodyears again; I now
have Michelins on all my tires for several years and have been very
happy with them.
I started buying Michelins when an industrial consultant (NOT from
Michelin, just a general troubleshooter) gave a talk at my company -
he spoke very highly of the quality control and manufacturing
processes at Michelin. So this guy has actually been in the factory
and seen how they do things.
-= Larry A.
Many years ago I was unhappy with the short life of my motorcycle's
rear tire. I got one with a harder rear tire, guaranteed to last much
longer. I had constant skidding problems with it (duh), and finally
plowed up a quarter mile of ground (thankfully in the middle of the
freeway lanes) when it locked up during an emergency stop. Hell with
long life; go for the traction. Or you'll be IN traction!!
-= Larry A.
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:47:33 GMT, email@example.com
You are one of the zillions of people silly enough to spend $50,000 on
$25,000 worth of truck.
It is no wonder that GM and others make all of their profits on these
monsters. Big, cheaply built trucks sold at luxury car prices. Lutz &
friends are laughing at you all the way to the bank.
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