GM, Ford, Chrysler vs. Toyota, Nissan, Honda production

LoL asian car owners trying to prove a point. Funnier then comedy central.

All the japs did was steal the idea and used it. Anyone can steal. To bad they can't invent anything on their own.

The only reason people are buying asian cars are because of the cheap price. Typical american cars were the same price what asian imports are now. Cost goes up through the years, but no one wants to get a real job to pay for something.

KIAs are the cheapest i guess. They must be the best cars around. But i hope they put a lot of "variable" names on their engine parts so i can be brain washed by their ads. Or like v-tech, so i can brag about it to my dawgs.

People who buy asian cars=ignorant people who dont know anything about cars. That is why 90% of ricers are asian cars. Why are they riced out, because the owners are idiots and "think" ricing out a car will make it go faster.

All of us should be stunned the asians are using our technology or europe's(sarcasm). Just like the other guy said before. We have used all those things before. There was prototypes of four wheel steering cars for GM. It worked perfect, but management cut costs. We can engineer and make anything badass, but if the CEOs want to make more money and layoff people, they gonna do what they like.

Big deal four cylinders are making 200hp. The year is 2003. It is called technology. A ricer can make 400hp out of his 4 cylinder with adding a turbo, or modifying it. BIG DEAL. Domestics were getting

400hp back in the 80s. Vw beetles were getting that in the 70s at the drag strips. You trying to impress me with asian cars isn't going to happen.

And 8,000rpm reving engines are not for city traffic. Unless the person is already reving the crap out of it. BTW, it isn't very economic to be running an engine at high rpms. Most domestic cars and europe have enough torque that cars can be driven at low rpms. Cars can move quickly and save fuel at the same time. Our old v8 big blocks can be made to run at 10,000rpms all day long. Nascar has no problems with it.

Asian imports are reliable. False. Go take a look at the jap newsgroups and people crying about things breaking down. They cost more to fix and harder to work on. And if they are such great cars, i would see a lot more older asian cars on the road. But i dont.

And to the other arguement. Not everyone is lazy workers. But yes, a lot of the bosses/supervisors love to do crap during the workplace. Then the bosses want credit for what those real workers did. This goes on everyplace. Just looking for a promotion so someday they can be brown nosing the CEO.

If Japanese cars are just knockoffs, then why are some of them better performers and more reliable?

GM and Ford aren't 10 years behind in hybrid technology because the most important parts of this technology were invented outside the industry, so every car maker has access to the very same technology. What's wrong is that GM, Ford, and Chrysler just don't run their design projects very well, probably because their companies are dominated by business types rather than engineering types. I don't have experience with Japanese car maker, but in their other companies, management doesn't seem to overrule the engineers nearly as much, except when they want them to do better.

Innovation and engineering aren't necessarily the same. It's true that Japan hasn't invented much, but back in the 19th century the most innovative country was Great Britain, yet they lagged the U.S. because American companies could take British ideas and implement them better, thanks to better management and engineering.

Some Japanese inventions: the tunnel diode (but the transistor blew it away), Yagi antennas, the modern form of video tape (every other line is recorded out of phase so the tracks don't interfere with one another, even without any space between tracks, allowing much less tape to be used), the Toyota production system, the blue LED, and the blue LED laser (same guy for both, but he packed up and moved to the U.S. because of a better offer).

Sure, but Toyota has seven years of real-world data and working out the bugs in a real vhehicle. Not prototypes. Not new implimentations. 200K+ miles on numerous vehicles used for deliveries and as Taxis, plus tens of thousands of U.S. sales. (started in 1997 in Japan)

That gives them a full generation leap on everyone else other than Honda, which is not as efficient as design.

I prefer red LED.

to the other guy which posted about performance and reliability i already mentioned it in my same post

"Asian imports are reliable. False. Go take a look at the jap newsgroups and people crying about things breaking down. They cost more to fix and harder to work on. And if they are such great cars, i would see a lot more older asian cars on the road. But i dont. "

asian cars have performance :-O "psah and monkeys fly out of my butt" quote from waynes world their amc pacer has more performance.

And to "modify" an asian car to be in the same performance as any european or domestic car, costs more then what the car is worth.

I can mod my vw bug any 3 i got, 68,74,72, for less then what it would cost an asian car. Same goes with any four banger domestics or v8s.

Quite so. It's about time to get rid of thousands of pork-barrells and get the size of the government to the minimum it's supposed to constitutionally be.

Yeah, that was my point. I'm guessing you weren't the one who said "nobody wants the damn things."

Hybrids are beneficial in every way, nevermind what people think.

My point was that from a company pride/technical achievement standpoint, it's dumb for the contest to be about building better engines because anyone can make their engine as big as they please. If all the Americans have is BIGNESS, that seems like a pretty SMALL accomplishment.

Nobody said it was worth GM's premium; maybe you didn't notice my sarcasm when I said "only $40,000." I was just saying it can HELP; GM's choosing to rip people off doesn't decrease its benefits. I bet it only costs a few hundred to produce per unit.

Ugly? Try fugly. But the interior dimensions are virtually the same, and you're only comparing the base stripper LE Camry. And even with those price numbers, let's redo the gas thing. Consumer Reports says the previous-generation Prius -- which gets WORSE gas mileage than the new one -- got, I believe, 40 MPG, and a 4-banger Camry about 24. Assuming $2 a gallon and

12,000 miles a year, a year of Camry driving is $1,000 and a year of Prius driving $600, meaning you save $400 a year with the Prius. If the MSRP difference is only $2,000 (or so), then yeah, 5 years would make it up, and every year thereafter is FREE MONEY! Most people keep their cars, or at least their Toyotas, for about 10 years these days, which means the average guy is getting paid $2,000 for choosing a Prius over a Camry. Many, many Toyotas can go about 15 years before they die, so maybe make that $4,000.

I think a revamp of the anger management (as well as the literacy) program in the trailer park would be in order.

Use a Real gas price of ~ $1.60/gallon and watch the "savings" disappear...

Crunchy Cookie.... Even if i did live in a trailer home, which i dont. I didn't get my education from one. Pretty obvious where your knowledge came from.

Im stating pure facts, im not getting angry about anything. And a lot of people argued against your none sense.

Crunchy, you can go back to your GED education, and keep on crunching on those scabs that you call a cookie, while you keep it in the family.

You'll notice that the new Prius comes pretty well loaded up - like a middle-trim Camry.

More than that with the tax rebate. Only fair, IMO, since it pollutes a fraction of a typical engine, and the first year registration is pretty close to $1000.

Oh - the new one? 55mpg average. ~440 a year in gas. Roughly three years and seven months to make up the difference.

Call it four. That's as short as the typical loan periods get.(48 months)

Try $1.40 and falling.

No one in the press ever managed to get more than about 35MPG in that thing.

Until one needs to replace teh 5-year rated battery pack for measly $3000...

Minus 3 battery packs, ringing $9000, that's $5000 more expensive!

Whoopee. Of my 3 daily-driven vehicles, one is 37 years old with 265,000 miles, one is 30 years old with 430,000 miles, and one is 11 years old with 205,000 miles. A Dodge, a Plymouth, and an Eagle.

Toyota impresses me not.

Actually, the packs are good for ten years or 200K miles and real world driving has verified the 200K part. 7 years so far on the others - and a mere handful of failures at the 7 year mark.

This is the real deal and not a piece of junk like the EV-1

Here throughout California, it's still $2.

I just told you I think CR got 40 in mixed driving. Now that I looked it up for sure, I was wrong. They got 41.