Mike I guess you'r smarter than the rest of the population who keeps
increasing the market share of Toyota, while GM keeps going down the
Every survey out there states that Toyota 'on average' is more reliable
than GM, Ford, or Chrysler 'on average'. I guess the general public
and all magazines are stupid because there in absolutely no difference
in quality between GM and Toyota. According to Mike they are
Mike is even smarter than GM - remember the 'ROAD TO REDEMPTION', when
GM ADMITTED they were inferior in quality? So even when GM admits they
are inferior, they don't know what they are talking about because Mike
knows that actually GM was and is just as good as Toyota.
If perception is so incorrect out there, where did this false
perception come from?
You are confused, actually what I said was we see virtually
little difference in the reliability of the vehicles, on the
market today, among the thousands we service every week.. Every
manufacture today is building good stuff that will last to 200K
or more if properly maintained. The only real difference we see
is style and price. You are also confusing market share with
total sales. You are forgetting the market has been growing
annually from the fifties when GM had nearly 50% of the market.
The market was at 19.4 million in 2004, more than twice as many
as were sold just 25 years age. There are currently 120 models
from which buyers can choose. GM and Ford sell around 50% or ALL
the vehicles sold in the US and GM and Ford are selling more
vehicles than at any time in their history. Do you believe the
domestics are just going to sit and watch the competition?
Chrysler sales were up 2% in 2004 because of their new cars. GM
and Ford will go up as well now that they are working on their
car lines. GM and Ford spent their money on new trucks over the
past five years because that is where the market is going. The
imports don't even come close to domestics in truck quality let
alone price. Toyota has the number one selling car but GM sells
more cars. GM, Ford and Chrysler own the truck market that is
expanding while the car market is shrinking. The top five selling
vehicles in the US are trucks led by the F150. The Dodge Ram
outsells the Camry. The best selling large SUV is the Escalade,
the best selling mid size SUV is the Explorer and the small SUV
is the Escape. Toyota does indeed make good cars but they are
overpriced compared to the competition and that will hurt. Just
look at all the Toyota one can find on domestic lots. The buff
mags continuously have rated the Focus over the Corolla and the
Civic the past three years. One recently rate the Camry sixth
among six of its peers because of the high price Trust me GM,
Ford and Chrysler are far from dead, they ALL outsell Toyota or
Honda as much as three to one.
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:02:59 -0500, "James C. Reeves"
well alot of it is a matter of sheer size.. if you've got a gasket
with 5x the sealing area, it's a hell of alot less likely to leak.
big trucks also have far less start/stop cycles, usually they're fired
up in the morning and aren't shut off until either the run is done or
the end of the day. they do have their fair share of problems, but
the average person just isn't exposed to them.
Do you wonder why a diesel outlasts a gas engine? Do
you wonder why an engine that is started and stop once a day will
outlast one that is started and stopped ten times a day and run
only 1/5 as many miles? Do you wonder why an engine that runs at
1/3 the RPM's of another will last longer? ;)
"James C. Reeves" wrote:
These engines have their own set of problems....but....they are
also built to a much higher standard then the average car engine.
The build quality is much higher, the way that they seal the engine
is often a much higher quality than the average car engine. Add to
that, what other posters have mentioned....sheer size of the engine
and components, low rpm, maintenance is performed religiously....etc.
You are entitled to believe whatever you want and buy what ever
brand you wish. My over 50 years working in all facets of the
automotive business from chassis design, to retail, to fleet
service tells me you can pick any brand, bar none, and find
hundreds of previous owners that will tell you everything they
ever built is junk and thousands that will swear they were the
best vehicles they ever owned. As to making a current purchase
based on a vehicle that was manufactured ten or even five years
ago, and not even sold by the manufacture today, is a pretty
stupid way to judge the current vehicles they do sell.
He did, actually. He has a Ford Problems web site too. And if you look
at either site, it's very clear that this is a thinly vieled attempt by
a law firm to rack up disgruntled car owners to make money off of them.
E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
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