National Stock Car....not a damn thing stock about it....anymore. We as
spectators want to see REAL stock cars slightly modified going around a
track like we saw in previous years! Now what we see is a totally ground up
built race car with not eve a single original bolt. The old saying used to
be "Win Races on Sunday and Sell Cars on Monday" simply because buyers of
those cars could see what they were buying right on the track. NASCAR now
has so many damn rules on safety, phoniness, fakeness and expense that only
millionaires can only afford to race. Screw all the safety crap, spectators
don't watch races just to get dizzy seeing cars go in circle...they watch to
see the wrecks and crackups knowing someone could get killed. Lets face it
NASCAR its a risky sport and goes with the territory. Nascar is no longer a
Nascar, ask Richard Petty and how he and those before him drove real Nascars
where danger and excitement truly was. They bought cars off the showroom
floor and slightly modified them for the track. It was when the average joe
could afford to get on the track and see what his racer would do. NASCAR is
now a phoney fake rich mans sport who have the nerve to pass off miilion
dollar ground up built race car as a stock car. No wonder American companies
can no longer sell cars, people see the phoniness on Sunday so on Monday
they say screw it and go out and buy a Toyota.
When you talk to the old timers you hear the stories about how they would go
to a dealership on Wednesday and buy a car on credit, knowing that if they
didn't win some money on Sunday they wouldn't be able to pay for the car, or
how they would haul their car to the track on their own car trailer pulled
by the family station wagon.
Kyle Petty tells about eating home made sandwiches on the tailgate of their
station wagon while Dad Richard was racing.
I realize that most production cars these days don't lend themselves to
being made into race cars, but when you see a Nascar Pontiac get made into a
Dodge by changing the fake headlight and grille stickers, it's pretty
And God forbid a driver shakes his fist at another driver who cuts him off
or he'll get called into the pits for a naughty boy "time out" like he's a
child of some new age metrosexual parents!
I actually was talking to a friend the other day about how cool it would be
if someone would start a competing series that had "door slammers" for cars,
and drivers like Jimmy Spencer who refuse to be politically correct!
Of course it's no different than other sports.
Look at football now compared to 20 years ago.
Don't DARE hit a quarterback hard or touch a receiver!!
I'm glad that I was a Nascar fan back in the 70's when it was really racing!
Heh - the good old days! I think the Wood Brothers actually rented a car
from Avis or Hertz and ran it at Riverside in the 60's. It was too much
trouble to haul a car from Stuart, VA to California.
Personally I'm totally anti-parity, all the way. I think 1988 was the end of
the world, basically. GM stopped making V8 rear drive sedans, but NASCAR
allowed them to keep racing using a fully fictional car. That was the last
step into oblivion.
There is showroom stock racing going on, and less modified forms of racing.
You may have to get out of your recliner to see it, though.
How old are you? When do you think "Cup Cars" were even slightly related to
what you could buy? The chassis stopped being related to stock cars in the
late 60's. The engines stopped being related to stock cars in the 70's. The
bodies quit being anything like stock cars in the 90's. Nextel Cup racers
are special built race cars like most other commerically sucessful race
series. I think NASCAR is a little more restrictive than most other series
since the NASCAR rules now pretty much say everything is illegal unless it
is specifically authorized. When you get down to issuing spec stocks to
teams for a race, you know it is very restictive. If you want "stock" car
racing check out the SCCA. The SCCA still has a showroom stock series (see
Modern day NASCAR racing suffers in comparison to the good old days - but
then what doesn't.
Thats basically the original point being made...its no longer no where near
stock. Of course it didnt happen over night it was a progression as you say
which has become what we see now...a phoney stock car only the rich can
afford to drive.
You rarely hear NASCAR or the broadcasters refer to Nextel Cup Cars as
"stock cars." They almost always call them "Cup" cars or "Busch" cars. The
original poster was ranting about something that hasn't existed in 35+
years. NASCAR started down the slippery slope when they let Chrysler race
the original hemi's - a special built race engine that wasn't available as a
regular production engine for two years after it won the Daytona 500. Anyone
that is ranting that NASCAR isn't like it used to be is either very old or
very naive. When was the last time that you saw a reference to what
N-A-S-C-A-R stands for? Heck the NASCAR web site even admits that the cars
aren't "stock" cars (although occasionally they screw up and use the term).
I copied the following from the NASCAR website "History" page:
"Throughout the 53-year history of NASCAR, the cars have been transformed
from road-going, true "stock" cars into the sleek, technologically advanced
machines that we see today"
Calling them technologically advanced is a little much in my opinion.
Freezing the technology to the point that you are building highly refined
1972 Fords Torino "Stock Cars" and then calling the cars "technologically
advanced machines" takes a lot of gall.
I was only grumbling that the original poster was about 40 years to late if
he wanted to preserve "stock car racing."
Its to commercial, and yes phoney. Isa game only for the wealthy now. You
gotta pay to play, no not just a few paychecks, but millions. Lets face it
back in the day one would route for there favorite car, and the race car
would actually look like your car that was parked in your driveway. Now they
all look alike except for colors and numbers. And just because its a Chevy
its has not a DAMN thing to do with the chevy parked in your driveway,
so its phoney and not worth rooting for.
When big money rears its ugly head in any sport then that sport is
going to change
in various ways. Now its called the "Nextel Cup" what the hell is a
At least with the Winston Cup you knew it was a cigarette. :)
Yes and THAT Camry will be RWD and have a FORD 9" rear like all of the
others. Unlike the eight out of ten Camrys sold in the US, with a 4 Cyl
engine, THAT Camry will be able to get out of its own way LOL
Happy no...but it was certainly exciting. It can be like watching an old
film clip of a ww2 fighter dogfight knowing someone will die going down in
flames, but its exciting as hell to watch.
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