About 10 years ago when I lived in socal I lived in Hacienda heights and
worked in Whittier. Using city streets instead of the freeway there was a
short (maybe 2 mile) section of 4 lane road with almost no side streets.
traffic would run at 60 or better. The local cops put a patrol car on the
shoulder. Sometimes it was manned, but sometimes it had a dummy in it.
Needless to say, traffic slowed down to the speed limit (40 or 45) because
drivers were never sure if it was a real cop or a dummy.
Every day is a good day- it's just that some are better than others.
I read all replies here about those bastard unmarked cops. They
represent, along with politicians, beauroRats, world leaders, and
scuzbags a control over our lives day in and day out. WE must stop the
insanity, you do have a choice, no matter what it is, you have a choice.
We are weak against them, is what they want us to feel. Sure we are
free, but suppressed at the same time. In other words we are really not
that free. They arrange loans to us so we can have the nice 3 bedroom
house c/w white picket fence and eat home made apple pie. We ultimately
pay the price, most of us are living around the "too much month at the
end of the money" lifestyle as it is. But how many of the average
employees at your work place are getting any further ahead? Ask yourself
this If you could start your own business and never pay a dime of tax
again, WOULD YOU DO IT?) And because of the sudden found tax loopholes
those bastards have for themselves, you could take advantage of those
too! So what are you waiting for? Come on, you guys are smart? Or did
the public school system help tap in to less than about ten percent of
your potential? Did you buy a self help/motivational cassette tape? And
I don't mean to lose weight. Then obviously you have been suppressed.
The class of people your parents and their parents, parents were able to
hang out with would be in no doubt a long line of simple folk with
little means to better themselves too. You needed to be born with in the
stench of god given wealth, right? The bloodline of the guy/gal with a
doctorate from Yale(In any discipline)That's the family you want to
become part of, as your chances at true success is now ten times of
those of you and me who are reduced to axe grinding through life. This
is a true controlling effect. High fluting bankers love us, we make them
rich, they keep the interest at a rate that we can just bear, so we can
work ourselves to the bone.
Then we educate our children by those standards as set out in the public
school system so they too can repeat in life as we have. So pay as
little tax as possible, cheat if you have to, don't think the BeauroRats
don't. Challenge any of those carefully hidden tax grabs ie Red light
cameras, Photo-Radar if it returns Etc.
Folks these days it seems everyone's got their greedy F&*&^&& little
hands in our pockets.
I apologize for the long winded post.
1) Taxpayers Strike.
2) Second Amendment
Taxpayers Strikes tend to get the government's attention. The Second
Amendment was added to ensure that your government serves you. NOT
the other way around. The US is a great country, but tools have to be
used if you want to keep it that way.
Before you vote on the second of next month ask the person who wants
to buy your vote with your money where they stand on the issues that
are important to you. (email is great b/c you can get their answers
in writing to slam them with later when they screw up).
Just my 2 cents.
Yes to the cameras. It's time for those red light running folks who
think their time is more valuable than others time and safety to get
what they have coming. I mean, you want to bitch slap them but you
can't. I love it when they get ticketed.
I choose not to buy into the claims about unsafe timing, because it is
only that, a claim. Anyone can say anything. What I do know for a
fact though, is that intersections without cameras have plenty of red
light running, and I think that is far more unsafe than the yellow
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:05:44 -0500, "noname"
as my friend's dad told us once (he was a long time MPD man)
if the light turns from yellow to red while you're in the intersection, other
than turning left, or if you speed up, regardless of whether or not you're
below the speed limit, you've run the red light.
Here in St paul they're putting yellow light countdown timers on our street (a
busy 4 lane) to help forestall some redlighters.
Trouble is, most the people running red on my street are doing 40+ in a 30 mph
zone, with 3 schools within 2 blocks of us, so I've not much sympathy with them
as the SPPD has a constant speedtrap at the Middle School 1/2 block from our
house. Seen too many accidents by idiots running the light at 50 or more to
have any remorse if they get killed, but the poor saps they hit and the couple
of kids they've killed get all my sympathy...
Mir welle bleiwe wat mir sin
On 22 Sep 2004 14:58:09 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (munir fi Taiara
My understanding about yellow lights (and what seems to be regarded by
the courts) is if you are "beyond the point of no return".
Specifically, if, at the speed limit, you cannot stop behind the white
line from where you are then you may proceed, otherwise it's regarded
as running the red.
My issues with the camera's isn't their existence or their use at red
lights (I'm all for it esp in disputes with insurance companies). It
is more that police that would otherwise be used to ensure save roads
by monitoring high risk intersections are instead doing radar duty on
Highways & bi ways. That's the real revenue raiser for the gov't.
The police in my area don't do radar duty on the stretches of highways
were the most accidents are (too dangerous to get out) they take the
open, clear, safe sections. Is this really what we are paying them
On the issue of Speed camera's..... I'll just say look to the UK &
what a F&cking mess it is there with their speed camera's. Pure
"taxation by other methods". That's the concern in the US, that they
will follow England's lead in that area.
I have been told that if you are under a light and it turns red, you
have an obligation to continue through. So that should not be
considered running a light.
About the cameras, I think it is pretty ghey. It will end up causing
more trouble and headaches than it will good.
You are not to even enter the intersection if you know you would need
to stop in the middle of it. For example, if you need to make a left
turn you must wait for oncoming traffic to clear before going. You
are supposed to do that waiting OUTSIDE the intersection. Just
because nobody obeys this, and it is rarely enforced, doesn't mean it
isn't the rule.
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:04:49 -0500, twins0203
Real chickenshit tactics is the police helicopter with radar, I can't
believe they waste THOUSANDS to keep it aloft to catch a few speeders.
Radar camera tickets I just throw in the trash, if it isnt certified mail it
Just don't stop for the next unmarked police car that pulls up behind you
with their lights on, keep driving, wait till a marked car gets behind you,
and THEN pull over. Who knows, it could be any idiot with some blue and red
strobes flashing his high beams at you to get you to pull over and then
carjack you. Tell them exactly that, not much they can do. Plus your making
them spend even more money on you.
On 23 Sep 2004 13:26:05 GMT, email@example.com (munir fi Taiara
Drive in NY or parts of Ontario. There's cops in oddball cars with
chrome wire wheel covers, tinted windows, stickers etc. I know that
in K/W Ontario there was a plain white police van that looked EXACTLY
like a plumbers van replete with ladder & tubing on the roof rack that
used to nail people all the time. Bet you'd never expect a plumbers
van to throw on a set of dash mounted cherries would you. I handled
a claim a while back where an insured hit&run an "undercover" Yukon,
crushed the running boards & smashed a chrome low profile rim....
The only consistency with police vehicles is that they tend to be
freshly washed as they start their shifts (b/c of the walk around).
Smart police officers quickly take them down gravel roads though...
haven't been to NY since 1976 :(
Go to NW ON quite often, up there you rarely see a cop as it is, and I've not
ever seen an OPP unmarked.
Then again, they so rarely enforce the speed laws on Hwy 17, fi they did the
pulp trucks would quit running, the paper mill would shut down and then the hue
and cry agin the OPP would commence, LOL
Seriously, if you run on Hwy 17 and a log truck comes up on you, you'd better
hit the shoulder, or else they will. Being passed on the shoulder by a 65' semi
loaded with logs running 90+ MPH is a thrill not to be missed!!!
Mir welle bleiwe wat mir sin
Something else you might want to think about. Not all of the cameras are
there for ticketing purposes. Some cities have them setup for real time
monitoring. Interesections with unusually high traffic accidents will be
monitored real time so that there is no delay in dispatching emergency
personnel to the scene.
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They could spend a bit of money on getting an engineer to study the
intersection to see why it is so dangerous. Once they identify the cause,
they can come up with a solution. Having a camera there to send help
when necessary is better than nothing, but not by much.
Good thing most states wont allow these as you have to be handed a citation in
hand in person at the time of the infraction by the officer who witnessed the
Once in a blue moon, you read in the paper about the occasional challenge to a
citation that a cop mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle. In my
state, every single one of those gets tossed as they are "constitutionally
invalid". The problem is, most people just pay up and don't fight.
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