Paraphrasing from article in the Baltimore Sun:
Keith Reinhard, a former international marketing executive,
gathered a sampling of anti-American sentiments in his travels around
He spoke of shifting attitudes toward American goods in
recent years. He traveled to South Africa as a marketing exec eight
years ago, and
successfully billed Neutrogena as "America's #1 Face Cream."
When he visited South Africa earlier this year, he saw a billboard
advertising DaimlerChrysler Smart Cars:
"German engineering. Swiss innovation. American nothing."
"American origin used to be a selling point," Reinhard said.
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:49:04 -0500, email@example.com (James Goforth) wrote:
A shame but I can think of quite a few reasons why.... nothing
startling, we all know of the problem children, but they are so
entrenched that nothing can be done about them.
The instant Lawyer Lottery called "liability" Once you get
big enough and have a little money, people start looking to
take it from you through the legal system. It's easier to legally
steal money than it is to work for it.
Government social engineering... on the medium plane of
performance where most of us are, a lot of non-performers have
been protected due to factors totally unrelated to job function.
Be the right protected group or right sexual preference
and you have much more job security than the poor bozo who
works his ass off on the bleeding edge trying to develop a product
Government has been trying to get rid of manufacturing jobs for
years in an attempt to emulate the Japanese movement from manufacturing
to intellectual product development and production. However the Japanese
industries are supported by their government, whereas due to our "anti trust"
frenzy, our legal / government structure ( DOJ anti trust fanatics) attempt
to destroy any company that gets too big or too successful.
The politically correct thing is to dislike Microsoft, but at least their
together (mostly) instead of all the vendor finger pointing in the past when
computer systems sitting right next to each other, were totally incompatible.
So, so those three reasons, government, social, and economic are some
why American eingineering and products are not longer world leaders. Add the
american educational system k - 12 to the list.
I remember, many years ago, there used to be "science" and "engineering" clubs
and contests for young people....can't remember the name of the awards that
were given out, but a lot of kids growing up, dreamt of becoming a famous
engineer, builder, even a famous scientist recognized for their contributions
their field of endeavor. Now a days people laugh at these "crazy ideas" and go
back to their ipod and playstation. The american educational system is more
concerned with getting us all to "be nice to each other", rather than fostering
development, ingenuity and innovation.
An old adage, the first generation makes the wealth, the second generation
conserves the wealth, the third generation squanders the wealth. I wonder
where current day america fits in ???
my .02 cents
It seems to me that everything domestic made after model year Y2K is
crap. Refer to my previous Impala sob story posts for more.
To their credit, I have the following high-mileage domestics STILL
RUNNING FINE in my driveway:
* 1988 Ford LTD Crown Victoria
* 1990 Chevrolet Beretta GT
* 1998 Ford Ranger (2.5L 4-cylinder engine)
* 1974 Chevy Van 30
* 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix
And what do I have that's broken down, at only 108,000 miles?
* 2000 Chevrolet Impala
...I see a lot of newer Chevrolet vehicles for sale on the roadside
lately, for some reason, alongside all the old Toyotas, Hondas, and land
yachts of various stripes with insane engine displacements.
By the way, I've *NEVER* owned or driven a non-domestic vehicle. What's
the pros and cons of driving a Japanese car versus an American one?
I've heard enough bad stuff about European cars that I don't care about
them at all, and they're grossly overpriced anyway.
German cars are "overpriced" and so forth but they DO drive better
than other cars, and Japanese cars are more reliable (but rust badly.)
I look forward to Chrysler simply being a badge for Mercedes Benz
There was lots of Junk before Y2K, in fact NA vehicles in the 70s
reached a low point, just as imports were improving.
Too bad you missed out. I got my first Japanese car in '70 a Datsun. It
was great for urban travel. Nice to drive, peppy and very good fuel
The Japanese took over from the Europeans and those early crap cars from
UK cars suffered until they had high speed motorways, where they could
see what happened to them there- engines that blew up under our high
speed driving. They learned, but sadly now UK cars are mostly built in
European suffered with the exchange rates going against them.
That's why many Japanese and European vehicles are now built in the USA,
Canada and Mexico.
We have a 2000 Impala LS that has 155,000 miles on it and is a great car to
drive. Had to do some repairs, but nothing out of line for a 6 year-old car
with these miles. Also have a 1997 Dodge Dakota 4X2 3.9 that has 195,000
miles on it. No unusual repairs here, either.
Product liability is not a factor in the automotive industry. It's a
factor in the medical equipment, pharmaceutical and general aviation
businesses, and GA brought the problem on itself mostly.
Affirmative action is an annoyance and no more to large companies, all
of which have boilerplate "divisions" to send minority and protected
deadwood to. It's an issue to small companies but other countries have
similar or bigger issues with ethnic "diversity".
Antitrust has been totally castrated by the last three administrations
so that isn't it either.
Microsoft is "politically correct to dislike" but also practically so
since Microsoft products work poorly as compared to all surviving
America has serious issues but you haven't touched on them yet. Keep
looking. You will find them in the areas of finance, moreso than
regulation or tax (though our tax structure is anti-innovation and
rewards the lazy wealthy.)
uhh...we are talking about engineering advances in general not just specific
to the automobile industry as innovative engineering advances can be used
you are specifically referring to "ethnic" diversity. How about
age, sex, sexual preference etc. And the boilerplate divisions which you
refer to happen to be a factor in "discrimination" cases.
As you said, it's an issue to small companies.... and small companies are
a major driving force in this economy.
Again...wishful thinking. Anti-trust is alive and well...AND the European
Union has well demonstrated the ability to control american based corporations
by their anti trust laws.
Like Wordperfect, netscape navigator, Adobe in all it's forms. Novell Netware.
Theres a long history of hardware and software companies that reached their
zeniths and went belly up OR have declined dramatically from what they once
were. Microsoft is alive and doing well..
My personal opinion after quite a few years of trying
to get brand X to even acknowledge brand Y is that Microsoft has achieved
a pretty high level of interoperability and compatibility among not only it's
line but also of many other vendors.
Do you still want to go back to locating and loading individual device drivers
individual pieces of equipment from dozens of manufacturers. If you have
company that have achieved anything close to what Microsoft has
done for the consumer and business computing market ...see www.microsoft.com....
let me know...I'd be very interested in studying their track record.
Yup.... America has serious issues and I've only mentioned a few as
this is an automobile newsgroup and not a political science or economic
Nine times out of ten, the busted company was in fact in gross
Good for them. Someone should, and we won't.
Where I used to work I accessed a Unix server through a Macintosh for
technical things and business was done on a VAX/VMS system. We had few
technical problems. It worked very well. We were putting Linux on PC
hardware for dedicated Unix system access and that worked even better
than the Macs. Then the company merged with another company whose mook
bastard IT director was a Microslut and all that went out. Now in an
all-Microsoft environment half the systems don't talk to each other.
It's a nightmare over there and in fact they have made me offers to
come back. Each time I tell them that when the IT guy is gone come talk
If you bought devices with good drivers you never had a problem in the
old days. You had the docs and if worse came to worse you wrote your
own. You had, if you were a company of any serious size, people on
staff that could. The skill set has atrophied.
Sorry, M$ is a mediocre-at-best product that survives because of the
stupidity and shortsightedness of American business. When I can load
Solaris, Linux or FreeBSD on a random PC without any real manual
configuration whatever and it works better than M$ Windows XP from the
computer vendor's own customized load...almost always the
case....something is hugely wrong. In fact, where I work now, I have my
desk PC set up to dual boot xp or Solaris, and I can use all our
supposedly IE-dependent internal web apps flawlessly! IT doesn't even
Or, in a nutshell, Borg mindset. Prior generations are just as guilty.
Their children. They made em, trained em, got their toys. Question is,
which, if any, generation is gonna do something about it? Nevermind, I'll
just turn on the TV as usual. SOS, different day.
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