GM could kill a division but rumor is GM may offer a division for sell to be
picked up by another manufacturer. Can you imagine Pontiac being owned by
Nissan or Honda?...how does a Nissan Pontiac GTO sound? Some are saying it
makes more sense to sell a division than to just let it go away, it has been
done before several times by other manufacturers...Rambler was picked by
Chrysler at least what was left of it (jeep div).
Probably won't be an auto division. They also make their own parts.
They've already combined AC with Delphi(Saginaw Steering Gear) and spun
off Delphi, sold DirecTV and that leave PowerTrain Division, engines
Actually, Jeep was first Willys owned (if you could think of it that way).
Willys was bought by Kaiser in 1953, became Kaiser-Jeep in 1963. AMC bought
them in 1970. Chrsyler then bought AMC in 1983. And its been there ever
What you may have been thinking of was the Buick V6 which was sold to Kaiser
in 1967 but they used it in 1965. In 1974 AMC (remember they bought Kaiser
by now) sold the engine back to Buick.
Yes, there are various makes and models where one company supplies the
engines for specific models or markets, just as Mitsubishi and VW at
times supplied lots of engines to Chrysler. GM Powertrain sells
transmissions to BMW, Volvo and others. Those are special cases though.
Note that I said _primary_ engine supply for a manufacturer.
I don't see GM getting into a mode where they ever buy the majority of
their engines from outside suppliers.
I can imagine GM Powertrain selling off it's transmission design and
manufacturing as a possibility. Aisin, ZF or another transmission
specialist might be an interestesting choice.
I can't think of any either. I guess a decision like that would be based on
how badly GM needed cash to keep the overall business running. It surely
would be more costly for them long term (one would think) Right now though
the matter at hand is short term. Hmmm...interesting scenario though.
I don't see that GM selling off the Transmission R&D. That's the one
place where GM actually has an upper hand in the market.
And I'm aware that the GM/ Ford joint venture on a 6-speed is a
special case, but I'd love to see either the 350 or the 3800 mated to
Quid quid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
(That which is said in Latin sounds profound.)
On what planet do you live? GM has had and continues to have some of
the most bullit proof transmissions made. Just compare the smooth
shifting of any GM transmission to Ford or Chrysler or any of the rice
burners and you will see. GM's 4T65 is one of the most used
transmissions and has no equal anywhere. Even Volvo and BMW use it in
Do your homework before having a brain fart.
Having an advanced transmission doesn't mean it's reliable. When GM
says it's good, then it's good, at least as far as trannys go.
It's smooth sure, but I didn't know that BMW has or had a FWD car.
BTW, GM rates that the 4T65-E can only handle 280 lb ft of torque. What
Volvo did with the S80 is they took took a couple, found out what pieces
went bad and replaced them with upgraded pieces. Originally they rated the
S80 at something higher then the 280 lb ft that it ended up with, which they
had to do to get GM to sell the transmissions to them.
I>t's smooth sure, but I didn't know that BMW has or had a FWD car.>BTW, GM rates that the 4T65-E can only handle 280 lb ft of torque.
OK, BMW RWD Volvo FWD. GM makes both.
4T65-E HD in GM premium FWD superchargerd cars. Volvo 4T65's are the
HD. Of course Volvo made a few minor changes to the 4T65, they don't
use GM engines!
by the way, Volvo would not have chosen the 4T65 if it wasn't the
superior design, quality and price and the ability of GM to supply the
I say it was more a convience factor. If all they had to do was a little bit
of work to get them up to their specs why not do it? They don't have to use
GM engines either for the tranny and engine to match up. If a car company
wanted to they could make an engine that would match up with a stock GM
"They took 5 4T65E's back to Sweden. They intentionally grenaded two of
them to find the weaker links within. When I say grenaded, they ran
them pretty much like Frank Gore at Shannonville but twice as hard.
Sure enough, parts broke and Volvo began to take apart the three good
ones to see where the parts could be improved. In all, Volvo removed 90
parts and replaced them with heavier duty parts or completely
re-engineered new pieces with slightly changed configurations. They
added a Geartronic function as well. The S80 was originally rated at
something like 275 HP and 295 ft lbs of torque. GM complained stating
that their 4T65E could only handle a reliable 280 ft lbs. Rather than
stepping on any toes Volvo agreed to post the S80 at 268 and 280. True
output is indeed higher and now that IPD has introduced ECU upgrades for
the S80, this engine is making 330 HP and 352 ft/lbs of torque -
RELIABLY and without ANY ill effects directed at the tranny. I've also
been told that this is still only 80% of the transmissions reliable
capacity so add another 20% to the totals and you'll be looking at a
spec that the 4T65EG can handle. I hope to have a complete list of
these 90 parts and engineering changes so that we may investigate
compatibility with GM parts and perhaps find a way, other than Level 10,
to beef our trannies for the long run."
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