MG ZS

Look out for all those jealous divers of foreign marques (usually company car drivers) who can't stand the thought of you driving such a smashing car. They can only say the word "Rover" (several times), and don't (and won't) associate with the MG ZS specification. You will meet some on the newsgroups. BTW we have an MG, a ZS180 on an 04 plate. All the best with your car, nice choice..!

Ahh yes, the specification:

From the MG Rover website - Top speed - 139mph

0- 60 - 7.3secs 30 - 50 in 4th 6.0 secs 50 - 70 in 4th 6.0 secs

Hardly worth writing home about ! And 12 seconds to go from 30 - 70mph in 4th ???!!! Jes' you kids must have all the patience in the world !

You also have my sympathy. For your poor fortune, poor taste and ability to deceive yourself that a stick on badge makes a difference.

Oh, but it's a 'future classic British "misscle' car'. How dare you tarnish it's future status ;-)

Erm, no.

You appear to know nothing of the GM / Fiat deal. It was an equity swap deal where each partner owned percentage shares in each other. The agreement allowed one or other partner to make an offer to buy the other one out.

*was* is the operative word. By the time 'John and Lisa' bought their Honda Civic 'Ripspeed' edition, Rover was entirely owned by the Krauts.

Erm, I made the point:

'But the MG Civic is only as 'British' as a Toyota Carina, Honda Accord, Nissan Primera or Pug. 206.......'

There was nothing more British about the Ripspeed Civic than there is about a Honda Accord.

Oh, good.

Anyone would think you were being deliberately argumentative.

SteveH ( snipped-for-privacy@italiancar.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

There's a certain degree of proportion involved.

Wasn't the MG ZS launched post-Phoenix?

SteveH ( snipped-for-privacy@italiancar.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

And those percentages were?

6% of GM owned by Fiat. 20% of Fiat owned by GM.

And GM still buying Fiat diesels.

Other than the fact that it was a Jap market Civic saloon that had been tweaked by Rover.

No, they also sold the Rover 100, which was British and also ancient, then there was the Rover 200 which was a bastardisation of the Metro and

400, ISTR.

But that's also true of the British made Accord and Primera.

Accords are sold in Japan, but they're a very different car to the one sold here - more different to the British Accord than the Rover 400 is to the Jap Civic saloon.

Douglas Payne ( snipped-for-privacy@cheerful.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

No, the Krauts had flogged it off.

Umm, no.

Sold after Honda had any say in whether or not it would end up on the market.

Oh give it a rest. If you're going to be like that, all cars are a bastardisation of the day when someone put 4 wheels and an engine on his bike.

And my dad is bigger than your dad.

No it isn't, where's the Ripspeed rebadged Accords and Primeras?

More different than the MG ZS is to the JDM Civic Hatch?

Douglas Payne ( snipped-for-privacy@cheerful.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

True.

*sigh*

Building predominantly rebadged obsolete Japanese or BWM designs.....

Heh.

I'm not disputing that the Rover 400 was a civic, I'm disputing SteveH's allegation that people who buy one to be patriotic are completely misguided.

SteveH ( snipped-for-privacy@italiancar.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

"Patriotic". What a silly outdated concept in a global economy.

What's it mean? Keeping the money in the UK? I s'pose the MG/Rover'd do more of that (through servicing...) - because Phoenix were nominally British. All the profits of Toyota in Derbyshire and Honda in Swindon will go back to Japan, and those of Peugeot in Coventry and Nissan in Sunderland to France.

But since every bloody company of any size anywhere in the world is ultimately owned by global shareholders it's *totally* academic.

I stand by my point that it's no more patriotic to buy a Rover than it is to buy any other 'foreign' car built in this country.

Cool, we got to 'profit' from the losses of MG-Rover ;-)

That's true patriotism for you.

*sigh*

I never pretended that I thought any Rover/MG product was any good...

'do you want to have just one argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?'