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And for most cars today that is useless as the key and the remote have to be programmed to the car before it will work to start the car. If he just wants to steal what is in your car it is far simpler to smash a window. Besides you may find that deliberately blocking the vin as covering the license plate is illegal......

That is a bunch of BS. One can NOT obtain the key code from the VIN#, period. If indeed a dealer told you that he must have been your selling dealer, knew you, and had recorded you code number, if not he was full of BS as well. The only way a dealer could get a key code is from the selling dealer IF he recorded it when the car was delivered. Few dealers would assume the liability of giving a key code to anybody but the registered owner, in any event. There is a key code hidden on some of the vehicle, but it s not easily visible without disassembling some part of the vehicle. That place varies by manufacture. The VIN# has 17 digits each of which has a particular designation but none has anything to do with the key code. The VIN# is assigned to a vehicle after it is bucked. The day the buck is sent to the assembly line, is the day the lock assemblies and keys are assigned to a given vehicle and the code is attached to the keys for the dealer to record.

mike hunt

Lanze wrote:

It seems like you are full of shit as usual. Yes. it is possible to get a set of keys made by the vin #. They may not start the car, depending on whether or not they need to be programed to the vehicle, but it is possible to get a set of keys made from the vin#. You're talking out your ass as usual.

Hmmm,

The Chevy dealer I buy parts from requests the following if you need new keys cut. No acceptions !

1. Title
2. License Plate Regisation
3. Drivers License with same name shown on items 1=A0& 2.
4. Insurance Card

If you send your son to have keys cut for momma's car then momma better be there to and not just sonny boy. Or its no keys.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Harryface =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE 3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey _~_~_~297,834 miles_~_~_

~_~_~_~_U.S.A._~_~_~_~_~_

~~~The Former Fleet ~~~

89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible 78 Holiday 88 coupe 68 LeSabre convertible 73 Impala sedan

I worked for thirty years in the US automotive industry as a design engineer for GM, VW and Ford. Please explain how you came to the ridiculous conclusion one can get the key code from the VIN? The VIN list only the county of manufacture, the manufacture, the body style, the restraint system, the engine, the year of assembly, the plant of assembly and the sequential number of the production.

Get real. Do some researcher before you choose to comment on a subject of which apparently have little or no knowledge.

mike hunt

Mike wrote:

The VIN UNIQUELY identifies your vehicle. IF, and I say IF, there is a database somewhere which records key code associated with VIN, then it is indeed possible. From reading the posts in here, it sounds like the selling dealership may have a database which can match a VIN to a keycode. Since the original story spoke of going to a dealer (it didn't specify SELLING dealer, but then lots of those like to brand your car with their friggin sign on your car so it wouldn't be hard to figure out), it seems possible if not entirely fool proof.

Comments?

I actually work at a GM dealership, and we can cut and program the key for any GM vehicle off the VIN number, GM keeps it in their database.

I think you have to bring in registration and proof of who you are though, anyone who just gets the VIN number and walks into a dealership probably can't get a key cut. Whats probably happening is the thiefs have a hook up at the dealership for whatever brand car they need a key for.... Did no one watch Gone in 60 Seconds? not all of the movie was BS...

I need to get a key cut for my nissan, I think I'll try this out, I'll bring my VIN number and also my key code # and see if they will cut it without looking at the registration/title and then my license. If they do, I'm gonna get myself some free oil changes after chewing out the management.

Real simple. I went to the parts counter and told them I needed a key cut. I supplied them with the VIN # and they cut me a new key. Also had friends do this when they lost a key. Never had any problems.

The VIN list only the county of manufacture, the

Maybe you should do some research before you run your mouth. You always post your bullshit about how you did everything in the automotive field for

30 years but you still don't know shit.

The dealer should require some form of ID and proof of ownership. That keeps the crooks from coming in and getting a key to steal your car with. Some dealers don't do this apparently as I have heard on the news of cars being stolen this way.

I got the key codes for my '71 T/A using the VIN. They are right on the invoice I got back from Pontiac.

I think the idea is you get the vin, look at the goofy sticker some dealers put on the trunk or the trim around the plate that tells you where it was bought, go in and give them the vin and they have your key code recorded.

But as Woody said, the key would only open the door on newer vehicles. I think my 2000 Astro would let them drive right away.

Can an employee sell this service to underground world?

The Chevy dealer I buy parts from requests the following if you need new keys cut. No acceptions !

1. Title
2. License Plate Regisation
3. Drivers License with same name shown on items 1 & 2.
4. Insurance Card

If you send your son to have keys cut for momma's car then momma better be there to and not just sonny boy. Or its no keys.

========= Harryface =========

1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE 3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey _~_~_~297,834 miles_~_~_

~_~_~_~_U.S.A._~_~_~_~_~_

~~~The Former Fleet ~~~

89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible 78 Holiday 88 coupe 68 LeSabre convertible 73 Impala sedan

You would probably do well to take your own advice!

Ian

The very fact that anybody can walk up to any vehicle and obtain the VIN, in itself should indicate to any thinking person, even the most simple minded among us, that you can not obtain the key code by simply knowing the VIN going to any dealership and having a key cut that will allow anybody to drive off with that vehicle as the originally postulated. That why the post was BS, end of discussion

mike hunt

SgtSilic>

The above typical "mike hunt" misinformation coming from someone who constantly changes his reply to address to stay out of everyone's killfile.

I certainly know BS when I hear it. Apparently you are one of the simple minded among us that believes a key code can be determined by the VIN. To cut a key one needs the key code to determine the cut number, or an original key to copy. When I was Group Sales Manager after I retired from the manufacturing end of the business I would have fired any employee that revealed the codes we had on record, of the vehicles we sold to our customers, to any person, dealership, or even a so called manufactures data base without proof of the owner(s). Think of the liability for the dealership, or the manufacture, if one of our employees revealed the code or cut a key for the thief that took YOUR car, or even for the husband of the WIFE who jointly owns that vehicle in the middle of their divorce. You are free to believe whatever you wish I could not care less, but the fact remains simply knowing the VIN will not reveal the key code from which a key can be cut at any dealership, as the original poster stated :)

mike hunt

Mike wrote:

I would think so, that is usually where a dealer records the key code for the owner. But the key code has nothing to do with the VIN

mike hunt

Dennis Smith wrote:

Want to put your money where your big mouth is? I'll send you the VIN to one of my vehicles. You go to a dealership that sells that brand, have them cut a key. Send the key to me and if it starts the car I'll pay you $500 for the key. If it does not start my car you send me $100, OK?

mike hunt

shiden_kai wrote:

I'd take you up on that, but I don't see how I could possibly trust you to be truthful "and" cough up the money!

Ian