Toyota Deals the Final Blow to GM and Ford with New Engine...

We can assume you are not a math major, right? LOL

Total 2005 US sales approximately 16,600,000

GM 26% 4,316,000 Ford 18% 2,988,000 Chrysler 13% 2,158,000 Toyota 11% 1,826,000

Both GM and Ford sold more light trucks alone than Lexus, Toyota and Scion sold cars and light trucks combined

mike hunt

"Third rate Camry V-6?" Hah! GM wishes it was so. My '01 Sienna has one of those engines in it. I test-drove the competing Chevy and Chrysler offerings. Compared to the Sienna, they're both dogs.

Yeah, convincing poor bastards like me to buy their cars by pricing them competitively, delivering lots of features and offering excellent reliability. The excellent performance, matching-or-better gas mileage and quiet cabin were all just irrelevant bonuses.

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And your source for this would be...?

Care to comment on which manufacturers are making money? Or on the "Vol % Change" figures in the report N8N provided from Morgan & Company?

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this is true, I majored in engineering. And I meant to say "third" not "second."

In Jan '06 and for model YTD '06 Toyota is outselling Chrysler/Jeep. Ford is just barely ahead. Also if you look at

you will see that that is unlikely to change. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. It is especially sad that the foreign subsidiaries of Ford and GM make so much better products than we get here in their home market.

nate

I don't do home work for my own grand children what make you think I'll do yours? Do your own search ;)

If they want good grades, I'm quite sure they don't want you to do their homework.

Your numbers are your unsupported claims until you offer substantiation. Without a citation, you might as well say GM sold 6 billion cars and Toyota sold 8. Without citation, those numbers mean just as much as the ones you presented.

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Do a search so you have some idea of what you are talking about then maybe we can talk ;)

mike hunt

Nope. Your numbers are worthless without a source. I'm not going to search the net looking for 4,316,000. Provide a source for them and they'll be considered in due course.

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So why don't you include Jaguar, Land Rover, Volvo, and Mazda in with Ford? This moves the Ford group up to around 18.5% of the US market. Seems only fair since the Toyota group includes vehicle built in various locations, including some built under contract and by partially owned subsidiaries. Ditto for GM and DiamlerChryler. Seems unfair to tout Toyota's success while ignoring the fact that the "big three" are really worldwide companies that build and sell cars around the world.

Calling a Toyota V-6 third rate must make the GM 3.4/3.5 l engine something like 10th rate!

John

Mike Hunt does this sort of thing frequently. Not long ago he did post the source for "information" about Hyundai automotive's financials, only he got it completely wrong and referenced the Hyundai company which does shipping and natural resources.

He has a habit of only seeing what he wants to see and can be safely ignored.

John

Three reasons...

1) those vehicles are not designed in the US for the most part

2) the first set of stats that I found were broken down by brand and solely concerned the US market, which is what we were discussing

3) they are, for the most part, significantly better than the US-designed and branded vehicles from those companies, which was part of the point that I was trying to make :)

nate

C. E. White wrote:

Once again you are not correct, I did not post Hyundai as a source for anything. I do not post sources frequently or ever, do you own home work. At most I may suggest one search a specific site, like the Congressional Record, the NHTSA or Automotive News but never a link. Do you own search and you will find the exact information I found as the basis for what I post.

mike hunt

I've noticed that. I suspect he's a retired GM manager, who is still seeing the car business through dark glasses.

And that is all you need to know about "Mike Hunter" and his credibility.

nate