You the one making the claim that there is no difference in the three
distinct different digits assign to cars built, or merely assembled in the
US. Even the slightest bit of logic on your part should make you suspect
that there is a reason for three, rather than just one as is the case with
Canada and Mexico. I explained the differ to you, but you choose to believe
what you want. That is your prerogative..
Because '1' is assigned to cars and trucks actually made in the US with over
70% US content. '2' is assigned to all cars and trucks made in Canada,
regardless of US content, and '3' to Mexico, regardless of US content . You
get an 'F' on your homework so will continue to believe what you want I
You sure want to continue to believe what you believe don't you. Why do you
think there would be a need for more first digits? VINs are not sequential
numbers that could run out of because of volume. The only part of the VIN
that is sequential are the last several numbers of the various model
distinctive VINs based in production volume of that model. VINs restart
every year for every manufacture and vary with body styles, SRS systems,
engine, plants, check digit etc.
You really are trying hard to continue to believe what you want to believe.
I had addressed the Navigator in a previous post, too much non US Content,
Canadian interior, dash, trim and other parts. The Aviator has a '4' for
the same reason.
Oh, come on. The interior in most GM cars is tacky, plasticky crap.
The engines sound like they're getting ready to fall apart. I have less
than 28K miles on my company Impala and there's more nasty mechanical
clattery noises from under the hood than on my old Porsche with 150K
miles! The A/C compressor alone makes the most alarming sounds. The
whole car just feels like, well, crap. Compare and contrast with the
'02 GTI that I sold a while back with 40K on the clock that had high
quality materials used throughout and sounded like the day I drove it
home from the dealership... if you can say with a straight face that
there is no difference in quality, all I can say is, step away from the
crack pipe. And let's not even get into ergonomics... why do I have to
fold myself up like a pretzel to get my feet out of a full sized 4-door
sedan when the driver's seat is adjusted to a comfortable driving
position? It's easier to get in and out of my 944, for crying out loud!
and the asinine "kick to release" parking brake ensures that I won't
have a single pair of dress shoes without a big scuff on the outside of
the left shoe, not to mention the beating the kick panel takes when the
sole catches underneath the bottom of it. How about that cheap
multifunction turn signal switch? gotta love that... and the doors that
won't stay open on anything resembling an incline; just try getting out
of the car while carrying a cup of coffee and a roll of blueprints...
(there's a big coffee stain on the driver's door panel from trying just
this maneuver.) I could go on for hours about all the things I LOATHE
about this car. I can only hope that the redesigned '06 models are
better, otherwise GM DESERVES to die.
Unfortunately for GM, it would seem that a lot of people in power over
there think just like you do, that consumers can't tell the difference.
I don't think I'm particularly picky, really, I just don't see that
there's any excuse for anyone to charge over $20K for such a bloody
awful vehicle when a base model Hyundai is nicer to drive and feels to
be of better quality overall.
The sad thing is, in the late '60s GM made some really great cars. I
would dearly love to have my dad's '67 Cutlass today; that car was a
tank. over 300K miles were on it when it went to the big parking lot in
the sky, and the only reason it went was because the frame was rotted
out from too many Pennsylvania winters. Other than a carb that really
needed a full reman (after 300K miles? you don't say,) there wasn't a
thing mechanically wrong with the car, and say what you will about vinyl
interiors, but it still looked darn good inside. If I had to keep this
POS Impala as long as my dad kept that Cutlass, I'd probably start
taking the bus. I don't know what the hell happened to GM, but
somewhere along the line they started counting beans too much and
forgetting that they were in business not only to make money, but to
actually design functional transportation for real human beings.
Mike Hunter wrote:
replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
You are right. The bean counters (dudes with spreadsheets on their
laptops) have taken over and have managed to extract much of the quality
out of the cars. They're short sighted. They're focused on saving a
buck or 2 NOW instead of building quality cars that people will want to
buy now and in the future. Long sighted planning means building quality
products to ensure a future customer base and repeat customers and new
customers. And having better products means they can charge more for
them and actually get more for them. If the Japanese and Germans can
build quality cars and make money and sell them for retail, then the
Americans can. If auto makers use crappy materials/engineering, then
they are forced to sell for less money and with heavy rebates, so they
then have less money for better materials/engineering, then they HAVE to
use cheaper materials/engineering. Viscious cycle. Downward spiral.
But I do think the domestics have improved somewhat.
Are you going to tell me that there are not bean counters in Europe and
The Asian and European automakers are not stuck paying pensions and health
care for retirees like they are in the US. Nor do they have contracts that
make it so that someoe who is laid off gets as much as someone who still
works for the company.
Bean counters are important. Without bean counters, you wouldn't even know
how much to sell a car for or how much those retirees need to get paid.
Really? I guess the way a vehicle is maintained can make a difference.
Before I sold my fleet service business we serviced thousands of Impala for
small an large police departments. Most were run well over 200K or more
before being take out of service. Corporate fleets kept their Impalas in
service even longer, five years of more because of federal tax laws, but
then again we serviced them maliciously.
My vehicle is serviced per the factory recommendations, which IMHO are
woefully inadequate. It gets an oil change with dino squeezins every
7K miles, while the Porsche gets synthetic every 5K. However, that
does not explain the racket from the A/C compressor, etc...
Mike Hunter wrote:
No NO!! HYUNDAI has made great strides in the past 5 years.
But of course, they're relatively new to automaking.
GM has had over 75 years of "practice".
They've turned out millions of vehicles.
You'd think it'd be a slam-dunk for them.
GM's problem is that every time they get close
to getting all the bugs out of a model,
they dump it, and re-invent the wheel all over.
Meanwhile, TOYOTA just keeps improving
the Corolla and the Camray....
You are correct the Doge Caravan is the best selling MINI Van but the Ford
Econoline is the number one selling FULL size van, and that, my friend, is
what the poster was referring to not minivans.
On 15 Jul 2006 19:29:27 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I don't think most buyers are worried about "Bling". After 4 or 5
years things go wrong with GM and Ford cars that should never go wrong
ever. After you drop 20+ grand on a car you expect it to last more
than a few years. Toyota and Honda kick GM and Ford ass for that
reason. Nothing will change until US automakers develop a proven track
record of quality. Bullshit and promises aren't going to work anymore.
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