Well, I already spoke to the service manager at my dealer who after quoting
me the outrageous price of $380 I very politely explained to him that HIS
service dept is likely responsible for the stripped plug. His response was
NO, it was age and the best he would do is discount the bill a whipping
When Jiffy Lube did it to my '88 Accord I complained to corporate who
promptly and without argument reimbursed me for my new pan. But my
Now I am pissed and am ready to go corporate to Honda as well.
Any suggestions on that route??
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:01:29 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
They are a neat idea, but I don't like the fact that the oil in the bottom
of the pan cannot be drained.
I suppose you could run a quart through after emptying to clean the bottom
a bit, but it would be nice if someone would come up with such a solution
straight from the factory that would actually empty the pan...
I have an '82 and '83 Honda Civic and both as far as I can tell have
original oil pans with the correct plug. Oil pan drain plug problems
are not limited to Hondas if my experience counts for anything over the
past forty years...
imo, the only thing wrong with the honda plug is that it's got a big
bolt head in a nice accessible position where a knuckle-dragger can go
nuts on it with a long wrench. if they had a 3/8" square socket like
the auto transmissions, i don't think we'd ever see this problem.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:48:15 +0000, JXStern wrote:
Ask the dealer if there are any other bolts in the car that he considers
it normal to have strip after 10 years of normal use and torque...
Maybe the spark plugs. Boy would THAT be a good deal for a dealership.
Under normal torque, without being cross-threaded, the threads should last
forever. If they don't, then there is a problem with Honda that needs to
Actually, I suspect that's the case. Even with careless torque other makes
seem to hold up forever. I don't think I've even seen the subject come up in
other auto fora.
It would make more sense if the annulus the plug screws into were aluminum.
I'm pretty sure it's steel so I don't know what to make of it.
Mike, Joe, Jim...I just hope American Honda agrees with you guys (and me!)
The more I think about it, the more aggravated I get with the dealer.
Unusual since this dealer has really taken good care of me service wise...
I'll post again after I hear from the arbitrator.
Maybe they did not put in a new aluminum washer and tried to reuse the
old one. This guarantees that they'll have to overtighten it to get
that snug feeling. Cross-threading is probably less an occurence than
careless and cut-the-corners service.
Just posting a follow-up. Three days after calling American Honda to file a
case, The service manager from the dealer called...(NOT the one who offered
me 10% off.) He had heard from my case manager and very politely asked what
he could to rectify the situation. I said "replace my oil pan". Without a
pause he said "OK, when do you want to bring it in?"
NO cost me me. I would have expected nothing less from Honda.
Thanks for all of your input on this matter.
NOW the question remains...can I feel comportable continuing to bring it to
them for fear of doing it again???
From now on I will have them put in MY service notes: "Be sure to place new
drain plug, new washer and hand torque to factory specs" !!
IMO one's best bet is to change the oil one's self. If you
absolutely cannot do this, then buy the washers yourself at
the dealer or an online parts site like www.slhonda.com
(maybe with a bunch of OEM oil filters, too, to make the
shipping economical). Then wherever you take the car for an
oil change, pointedly have the shop promise to use the new
washer and not to overtorque the drain plug. Tell them what
I cannot say for sure, but based on reading reports here, I
think the stripping could very well be normal wear and tear.
Honda may have done you a huge favor by arranging to have
the oil pan changed at no charge. Problem is, one cannot say
$300. bucks on my '88 about 10 years ago. In RI. Jiffy Lube Asassins!
My advice? Weld it up and go to those places that suck the oil out the top.
Amazing how they so much so right, then they screw up the oil pan design. I now
carry an expandable rubber plug in each Honda, just in case....
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