Honda Accord Hybrid

May 22, 2006 6 Replies

I tried the Honda Accord V-6 Hybrid the other night.



Very strong acceleration, well beyond needs.



What was cool:


-stop at a light, engine shut off; let go of brake, engine starts smoothly and immediately.


-cruise at 120 km/h, three cylinders shut off (little light on dash "ECO" turns on).


-let off gas during cruise and you could feel the electic motor "drag" as it generated electricity for the battery.


-apply brakes, and even more energy was diverted to the motor/generator.



(There's a little meter bar that shows when the battery is discharging or recharging)



What was not cool:


- automatic transmission



- ... and not so well programmed at that



- 3 litre engine



- no fold down rear seats (the battery is there)



- 253 total HP.... what's economical about that?



- does not qualify for the Quebec hybrid rebate (misses the mileage goal)



-stopped the car in "D", engine stops. Shifted to "P" and the engine started up again. Should have remained off, IMO. I guess it's the way this is mechanized that allowed the engine to restart.



- price ($39,400 in Canada, $31,000 in the US). The CAD $ is running 89 - 90 cents these days... I could probably talk them down a couple K on the car; and up a couple K on the trade in, but it's still not worth it to me.



I take it that they put in a 6 banger in order to get 3 cylinder cruise on the highway, and that this might not have worked well with a 4 banger. Why not a 5 banger? Why not a smaller displacement 6 banger? I simply can't believe that a Honda Accord really needs 200 HP, never minf



253 with the assist.

Any Canadians here who can explain the price differential (US / CAD) that is way beyond the exchange rate?



Cheers, Alan FreeLunch.


I can't explain the vast difference in the prices. But I can tell you that I like the 200 hp under the hood of my '01 Accord.

IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?

An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel economy.

John

I agree completely and I've posted on the subject (and the "cons" reflect that.

I don't see hybrid "boost" as a performance item but as reuse of deceleration. Period.

Part of the problem, I suspect, is how well would the 2 litre engine behave with two cylinders shut down?

Cheers, Alan

The way Honda is doing it on their production models that is mostly true. Their concept car, the Dualnote, is a different story:

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to the September 2002 article in Popular Mechanics, Honda engineers say the electrics effectively double the off-the-line acceleration to roughly what is expected from a 600 HP conventional power train. As the electric technology improves we will see performance increasingly being a reason for hybridization. But the Accord "hybrid?" Hardly worth the effort, IMHO.

Mike

With a small 4 cylinder motor you don't need cylinder deactivation. Cylinder deactivation only seems to provide a minimal fuel economy boost and is mostly be used on V-8s and V-12s (MBZ).

John

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