I recently had an animal run into my car and it destroyed my bumper. I took my ride to the Honda dealer for repair and my insurance is Geico. I made sure that I requested an original OEM bumper. I was able to get an OEM on my windshield that cracked for no reason, so I want to make sure that the car stays with original parts unless of course "I" happen to actually cause damage due to my neglegnece. SO far, things just happen to this car that is beyond my control.
Is there anything to look for as far as identifying the bumper as original OEM? It is the front bumper by the way.
"Guest" wrote in news:A6SdnWtysuNe-qrbnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
Ask the bodyshop. They will have been told by the insurance company what to use. If they've been told to use aftermarket, you can either phone Geico and try to get them to pay for an OEM bumper (good luck!), or you can top up the insurance company's money to have the bodyshop buy an OEM one.
OEM is considerably more expensive than aftermarket unless you get a used one, and is considerably better quality. Used OEM is fine.
If the rebar is also being replaced, make sure that's OEM as well. Aftermarket rebars are badly made. The bumper skin will assume the shape of the rebar, so if the rebar is misshapen, so will be the skin.
Well I told the Geico man I wanted OEM and he said "no problem on such a minor thing." Since the Geico man and the Honda people seem very buddy buddy, I need to know how to tell that it is OEM. I have a $250 deductable and I would have to pay out of pocket for and aftermarket one when I could buy that on my own.
YOu might try asking someone in the parts department at your Honda dealer if there is a way to tell. Also if there is only one Honda dealer in your area, the bumper would probably have had to come thru him if it is original.
No reason they shouldn't be buddy buddy. Markup on parts sold to insurance companies is huge. If you really, really want to know, tell them you want to see the parts number sticker, bag or tag that comes with it.
"Guest" wrote in news:obGdnfbUFfX75KrbnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
There will be a Honda parts sticker on the back, plus the molding die is marked up a certain way. You won't be able to see this without removing the bumper from the car.
You can do one of two things:
1) ask the bodyshop to give you a copy of the invoice for the bumper (price removed of course), or
2) ask to see the bumper when it comes in.
Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about. If you were told you were getting an OEM bumper, then you're getting one. The "buddy buddy" thing is probably just because they deal with each other all the time on business.
"jrk" wrote in news:4637afa4$0$3579$ snipped-for-privacy@news.qwest.net:
Nah, it's just that the aftermarket simply does not have the budget to engineer the molds and dies the way Honda did. The appeal of aftermarket direct-replacement is economy, not quality. They have to find ways of making the parts cheaper than OEM, and that means cutting all the corners they can.
Their materials are cheaper as well. Quality control is much laxer in the aftermarket. They simply can't afford to throw away all the production that the OEMs do.
The aftermarket does not have access to the OEM engineering CAD files and blueprints, which are heavily guarded and protected. They have to get hold of actual examples of the parts, then work backwards to obtain their own specs. This is a terribly inaccurate way of engineering a part, especially something as large and floppy as a bumper skin. And then they're only going to spend so long welding up and grinding down the molds, since that takes time and money, so...
I've been involved in the OEM process. The detailed engineering of OEM parts is astoundingly expensive, exhaustingly intricate, and is only justifiable in huge production quantities. Low-volume OEM parts are developed the same way as high-volume OEM ones, but with a price that reflects the small amortization base.
Remember, Honda made hundreds of thousands of bumpers. The aftermarket makes a few thousand. Big, BIG difference.
Tegger wrote in news:Xns9923CE64CF111tegger@207.14.116.130:
Actually,some other company probably makes the bumpers FOR Honda under contract. Honda buys lots of parts from local sources.Cats,exhaust parts,sensors,... that's how they keep the US domestic content high enough to qualify as US- made.
No reason why they can't make extra bumpers and sell them thru their own distribution networks.
Jim Yanik wrote in news:Xns9924A9269A444jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85:
Of course. But that's irrelevant. The working drawings come from Honda,
The point is that Honda has the budget to develop the thing properly in the first place, and has the clout to demand extremely high standards. The aftermarket has none of that.
They may not be allowed to. Honda paid for the development, remember?
Tegger wrote in news:Xns9924CD600606Dtegger@207.14.116.130:
With modern CAD/CAM technology,they can take a bumper off a car,measure it and turn out detailed specs for manufacturing molds to make their own.They can buy the raw plastic from the same supplier the OEM company uses.
For metal parts,the materials may be of lesser quality,a cheaper alloy,or not as thick a galvanized coating,or maybe no coating at all.
Jim Yanik wrote in news:Xns992517E29DF2jyanikkuanet@64.209.0.86:
My experience with aftermarket body parts is that they are grossly approximate in dimensions and usually fit poorly. This can only mean either poor quality or bad dimensioning, or both.
You cannot properly measure a made bumper and make a tool exactly the same as the original. You do not exactly know the shrink factor.
They can, but do they? Again, my experience is that if they do, they're buying a substandard grade or something, because toughness, flexibility and stability are usually not the same as OEM.
And bad dimensioning. Last aftermarket bumper rebar I looked at was bowed down in the middle. The thing was brand-new, so there was no excuse for that.
Ok. This is the part number for the bumper (front): 04711-SDA-A90zz ($259.80). It appears to be the same. I even compared it to other cars on the lot with the same color as mine. I also noticed that the right side that meets the headlight has a little gap along the bottom. The bumper seems to be a perfect fit otherwise. I have also noticed this same affect on other cars - on the same side...
"Guest" wrote in news:hZqdnTx_XaI2BKbbnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
The number appears to be a valid Honda part number.
Tong Yang Plastics in Taiwan is listed in my searches as the OEM supplier to Honda for that part number. But if your car was made in North America, then likely the bumper was made by a North American supplier intead.
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