I got an email from Honda saying my new 2007 Honda LX is due for it's
first maintenance, an oil change.
Do I have to do this maintenance after 3 months, despite the fact that
I only have 1000 miles on my new car?
I thought you were supposed to do the maintenance when the oil light
came on, on the dashboard?
No? What's the deal here?
I want to do the scheduled maintenances in order to keep my warranty
good, but an oil change after only 1000 miles???
The deal here is that you can't differentiate between American Honda
Motor Corp, which doesn't sell or service cars, and your dealership,
which does sell and service cars.
Your dealership has an automated system that begs people to come in
every 3K miles and spend money.
American Honda Motor Manufacturing built an automated system into the
car that tells the driver when it's time to spend money.
Two very different things, with two VERY different goals.
If you can't differentiate between Honda, the manufacturer and your
Honda dealership, you're ripe for getting fleeced.
Okay, so which one is it that controls when I have to get maintenance
in order to keep my Warranty valid?
Basically, what you seem to be saying is that the local Honda dealer
is trying to pull a fast one and convince me that I need to do
maintenance that I do not need to do, according to American Honda
So according to American Honda Manufacturing I do not need to do the
maintenance until it comes up on my dashboard?
That is correct.
However, you may want to peruse the Warranty booklet that came with your
shiny new car. This booklet (published by American Honda) will tell you
what exactly you need to do to the car in order to keep your warranty
valid, this being entirely independent of what the franchised dealer wants
you to do.
The dealer, of course (being an independent company from Honda), would like
you to give them more money than you might otherwise bestow. What they want
you to spend will certainly do the car good and not harm, but is it really
necessary? Not if Honda doesn't say it's necessary. Clear as mud?
to clarify, it specifies the service schedule, and to keep the warranty
valid, the service schedule needs to be observed correctly. but
legally, the work doesn't need to be done by the dealer - you can even
do it yourself. simply keep records of the work done, the mileages at
which it was done, and keep receipts. if you change the oil yourself
for instance, keep receipts for its purchase and make a note in the
service schedule accordingly.
the warranty booklet kinda sorta dances the tightrope of saying the work
should be done by the dealer, without actually saying it in a way that
breaks the law, the law being that warranty /is/ legally maintained if
the schedule is properly observed. there are benefits of having the
work done by the dealer of course, but economy isn't one of them, and in
the case of san francisco honda [for example], they'll try and rip you
for spectacular amounts of unnecessary work.
to the average driver, the cost benefit of taking an evening course in
basic car tech, is HUGE. even if they never intend to pick up a wrench
ever again, they can thereafter walk into a shop and have some knowledge
of what's going on and often avoid substantial expense because of it.
The latest cars do not have service schedules listed in their Owner's
Manuals. You are supposed to go entirely by the dashboard's Maintenance
The Warranty booklet will list the required mileage/time-based warranty
services that are to be performed.
This is very important, especially if you do the work yourself.
I am a Service Advisor in a Honda dealership..We advise on the newer
vehicles to watch your oil life...at 15% you should call for a Service
appointment.This is by American Honda Standards.There are two schedules
for maintence for Honda Vehicles one for the older and one for the newer
vehicles..if you dont put a lot of miles on a new vehicle an oil change
should be done in at least 6 months..The older 3 months or 3,000
miles...We don't want to make any extra money off of you , we make our
money off of people who DON'T take care of their cars.
Correct. In fact, your manual specifically advises you to NOT change
your oil early, for your first oil change.
You'll get service reminders all the time. Just ignore them until your
vehicle tells you it needs service.
Wow, are you out of date! Slushboxes were contemporary to the Beatniks and
maybe Hippies. Although the term "slushbox" has been applied wrongly to
automatic transmissions since I was a kid, it actually only fit the ancient
Buick Dynaflow... although the 2-speed GM Powerglide came close in
operation. Conceited stick jockies have used it to carelessly or mindlessly
denigrate the entire gamut of automatic transmissions, good, bad and ugly,
ever since. Modern automatic transmissions are mostly very much the same as
modern manual transmissions but with controls (including lock-up torque
converters) built in.
My second car was a 1950 Buick Roadmaster. To increase fuel mileage,
one would start in low then shift into drive. Gotya about 11 instead of
the typical 10 mpg.
Even though, I love that biiiiiiig car! Wish I still had it..
That's the thing! A manually shifted two speed meant to be used mostly as a
single speed. A sister-in-law had some lesser Buick with a Dynaflow (aka
Fluid Drive) when she and my brother first met. Doug said stepping on the
gas would cause the engine to roar to life, as the car started moving slowly
forward. Not the sort of transmission to mate with a small engine!
Roadmasters were supposed to be quite the ride, though. IIRC they had enough
power to make the Dynaflow useful.
really??? I thought DSG is only found on certain VWs and even those
are far in between. Are you referring to the DSG clone in the upcoming
That car hasn't even been released to reviewers let alone the driving
public yet. Would you please be specific which technological
marvels you are referring to? found in which cars, specifically?
we're not marketing here and don't like things to me left to
"Slushboxes" were non-geared trannies. The venerable Dynaflow - the tranny
that gave rise to the term - was a fluid coupled torque converter with a
manual granny underdrive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynaflow ); thus
"slushbox" to denote the coupling didn't involve gears. If you know of
things today that uses such an arrangement, please enlighten me. Even manual
trannies are lubricated, so having liquid in the gearbox isn't the issue.
Almost anything built in the last decade uses a lockup torque converter so
fluid coupling isn't normally going on there - the torque converter is
mostly a clutch.
Then there was Renault's powdered iron magnetic clutch on the electrically
shifted manual tranny to make it fully automatic, back in the '60s... as dry
as any manual tranny :-)
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