Heh... Engineers often can be held in contempt too!
Don'tcha think that them thar' guys that design things, (and the process
guys that follow), where you hafta take apart half the car to replace an
alternator whould be tied spread eagled across a Texas fire ant mound maybe?
(A retired process engineer (mfg) who tried to minimize product service
No. Just follow the maintenance minder and keep an eye on any
overriding conditions per the owner's manual. For example, the manual
might say to change the oil at least once per year even if the minder
hasn't come on.
The email is simply marketing trying to get you to spend money at the
This whole 'Maintenance Minder' thing is still a struggle for me! We
have about 4700 miles on our '07 Odyssey and the 'oil life' is still
at 20%! I'm taking it in this week, just can't wait any longer.....
Besides, I have 4 free oil change coupons that the dealer gave me as
part of the sale of the car.
I've always changed the oil at 1500 miles then every 3k after that (5k
with the synthetic in my Audi). So this is new territory for me. OTOH
the car is leased, so in 2.5 years Honda is getting it back, so.....
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA
i don't mean this to be facetious, even though it sounds it, but why are
you abandoning science and research for tradition and superstition? put
another way, why can't you trust the engineers that poured millions of
dollars and years of research into developing this stuff? if it's fear
of the unknown, what do you know about metal fatigue and do you still
fly in planes?
I didn't say I was NOT following the Maintenance Minder - I actually
am - just that I'm having a hard time adjusting to it. My last new
car, a 2004 Audi A4, has a traditional schedule of oil changes and
service, especially with it's turbo 1.8T engine.
And it may be 'science and research', but when Audi first came out
with the 1.8T engine, they recommended regular dino oil and 10k change
intervals. That changed in 2004 after having severe sludge issues -
they went to synthetic and a larger oil filter, along with decreased
change intervals. Those that maintained a 'traditional' 3k/5k oil
change schedule tend to have fewer sludge issues. So, sometimes in the
quest to cut maintenance costs, the manufacturers can get their
science and research messed up by bean counters.
'07 Ody EX
Central NJ USA
Another fine nail in the reliability coffin of Audi. I cannot imagine
in my wildest drunken side walk knuckle dragging episode of buying the
fact of a 10K change interval using dino oil in a turbo engine of any
i think that has more to do with domestic oil formulations being
somewhat inferior to european ones - and the underestimation thereof.
and the problem of getting your oil changed at monkeylube. at least if
you specify synthetic and it's not used, there's recourse. if you
specified castrol [for instance] /nobody/ would pay attention.
If you got a letter from your dealer it is probably automatically generated
based upon average mileage/usage to solicit or perhaps remind you that
service may be imminent. Below is a copy/paste of what Honda interprets the
codes on your maintenance minder system.
From the factory recommended maintenance:
2007 ACCORD - Maintenance Main Items
If message ''SERVICE'' does not appear more than 12 months after the display
is reset, change the engine oil every year.
a.. Independent of the maintenance messages in the smart maintenance
display, replace the brake fluid every 3 years.
b.. Inspect idle speed every 160,000 miles (256,000 km).
c.. Adjust the valves during services A, B, 1, 2 or 3 if they are
Maintenance Main Items
Replace engine oil.
Engine oil capacity without oil filter: 4.0 L (4.2 US qt).
Replace engine oil and oil filter.
Engine oil capacity with oil filter: 4.2 L (4.4 US qt).
Check front and rear brakes.
a.. Check pads and discs for wear (thickness), damage, and cracks.
b.. Check calipers for damage, leaks, and tightness of mounting
c.. Check wheel cylinders for leaks.
d.. Check brake linings for cracking, glazing, wear, or
Check parking brake adjustment.
Check the number of clicks when the parking brake lever is pulled with
196 N (20 kgf, 44 lbf) of force.
With rear disc: 6 to 9 clicks
With rear drum: 4 to 7 clicks
Inspect tie-rod ends, steering gearbox, and gearbox boots.
a.. Check rack grease and steering linkage.
b.. Check boots for damage and leaking grease.
c.. Check fluid lines for damage or leaks.
Inspect suspension components.
a.. Check bolts for tightness.
b.. Check condition of ball joint boots for deterioration and
Inspect driveshaft boots.
Check boots for cracks and boot bands for tightness.
Inspect brake hoses and lines including ABS.
Check the master cylinder and ABS modulator-control unit for damage
Inspect all fluid levels and condition of fluids.
a.. Engine coolant
b.. Manual transmission fluid (MTF)
c.. Automatic transmission fluid (ATF-Z1)
d.. Power steering fluid
e.. Brake fluid
f.. Clutch fluid
g.. Windshield washer fluid
Inspect exhaust system*.
Check catalytic converter heat shields, exhaust pipes, and muffler for
damage, leaks, and tightness.
Inspect fuel lines and connections*.
Check for loose connections, cracks, and deterioration; retighten
loose connections and replace damaged parts.
NOTE: According to state and federal regulations, failure to do the
maintenance items marked with an asterisk (*) will not void the customer's
emissions warranties. However, Honda recommends that all maintenance
services be done at the recommended interval, to ensure long-term
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