Which Oil: 5W-20, or 5W-30 Semi-synth

I think your dealer is an asshole, who's trying to make an extra buck by selling you "semi-synthetic" oil that you don't need.

Tell him to f*ck off and put the 5W-20 in.

Hi, Semi-synyhretic will last longer. Why not try it once and see?

To a MM system it won't last any longer than having conventional oil in it. Putting in synthetic or semi-synthetic oil is more of if you want to than anything else.

FYI: I?ve driven my 01 Civic 250,000 highway miles in this climate using the recommended 5W-20, and it STILL gets 38-40 mpg on I-95 at 70 mph.

First rule for pilots: Always believe your

Dealer is full of crap. By his calculation, then, the entire East Coast is an 'extreme climate'? Have himput in exactly what the manufacturer recommends.

Dan D '07 Ody EX Central NJ USA

Chief snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote in news:c32f8a45-baf9-4b16-a051-3812dd0ee701 @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

What does Honda say?

Hint: The dealer is NOT Honda. Believe it or not.

I can't seem to find a method of contacting the Honda USA Help Desk directly... ;)

I think your right. In fact, I might just do the oil change myself and document it to fulfill the maintenance/warranty requirements.

It's in your owners manual. But here ya go....800-999-1009

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I can't seem to find a method of contacting the Honda USA Help Desk directly... ;)

Chief snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

Honda told you what to use in your Owner's Manual, which I assume you've read.

The dealer is an independent company that owns a franchise purchased from Honda. They are free to attempt to sell you whatever magick potions they figure you can be manipulated into spending money on, whether Honda likes it or not.

Honda is an especially diligent automaker, so what they officially recommend is not to be readily sloughed off.

If you no longer have an Owner's Manual, you can get one for free, directly from Honda (albeit as PDFs). Just ask how.

I've been changing my own oil for 30 years, largely because I am then completely sure what oil and what filter went into it. Peace of mind is worth a little effort.

c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

I have the Owners Manual, but in the Mainenance section it does not give 'due dates' for many of the service procedures. With my 01 Civic, I know exactly what needs to be done and when. I think with the CR-V it is supposed to pop up on the display with a letter A, B,

Chief snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

Maybe you are used to that, but vast hordes of unwashed proletarians are not. It is for them that the Maintenance Minder was devised. Poor maintenance is the #1 factor in excessive emissions.

Personally, I believe that if federal emissions limits weren't screwed down so far, and if the automakers weren't saddled with federal emissions warranty requirements, that Maintenance Minder would not be in your car right now.

"Tegger" wrote

Hell, I'll take it if it means we get a 15-year Emissions Warranty w/PZEV vehicles (only 5 states have it so far IIRC) like the '08 Accord.

FIFTEEN year warranty is killer, especially since I read it covers a lot of parts in the emissions system.

"Polfus" wrote in news:4852ef8f$0$5104$ snipped-for-privacy@roadrunner.com:

Guess who pays for all that? It's not Honda.

"Tegger" wrote

Who is it then? Who does Honda send the bill to after they pay whoever fixes it, say if something happens in 2019?

I imagine you're gonna say taxpayers, but how does that work when if they repair something on their car?

Peace, Jason

"Jason" wrote

Sorry...I meant "...I imagine you're gonna say taxpayers- but how does that work when a Honda dealership, for example, repairs something on one of their cars?"

Peace, Jason

"Jason" wrote in news:48534c7d$0$7055$ snipped-for-privacy@roadrunner.com:

YOU. You pay for it in an increased purchase price for the car.

"Tegger" wrote in

Aarrgg...yeah..the '08 Accord did take a bite out of my wallet.

Peace, Jason