"Brian Nystrom" wrote:
> Balfa wrote:
> > "Balfa" wrote:
> > > I just took my '02 accent (59k miles) to be
> inspected for any
> > > servicing it might need.
> > >
> > > The list of things that need doing is (* denotes
> > > rather than required):
> > >
> > > *
3 step fuel (additives to fuel, eng oil and
> something else?)
> > > $80
> Unnecessary and probably just a rip-off. Nothing you can add
> to your
> engine oil will have any benefit other than to the person
> selling it.
> Fuel system cleaners may possibly help, but modern fuels do a
> great job
> of keeping engines clean.
> > > oil change $30
> You can do it yourself for half the price.
> > > coolant flush $90
> That seems pretty pricey. Again, this is an inexpensive DIY
> item that
> should run less than $30.
> > > trans flush $100
> It is an auto? If so, this is OK, though I would check the
> price for the
> same service at AAMCO or another tranny specialist.
> If the car is a manual, this would be another rip-off. You can
> the tranny oil yourself for ~$20. Check your owner's manual to
> see if
> this is even required.
> > > clean & adjust (i assume rear drums?) $30
> Another rip-off. Rear brakes are self-adjusting and they don't
> > > *chassis lube $15
> Another rip-off. There's nothing to lube on the chassis.
> > > *
spark plugs $70
> Are you kidding me? A set of plugs costs $6-$20. It takes ten
> minutes to
> change them.
> > > The 60k mile service includes all the above for
> $280, as
> > > opposed to $415 getting them individually.
> Well, recalculate using realistic prices, then decide if
> you're getting
> a good deal. I come out with a total of ~$85 to DIY if the car
> is a
> manual and no more than ~165 if it's an auto and the cost of a
> flush is actually $100.
> > > in addition, the following is needed:
> > > a/c, pwr steer & alt belts $60 + $127 (labour) > $187
> I find it difficult to believe that it would take two hours to
> the belts. A timing belt could be done in about the same
> amount of time.
> It's required at 60K, so aren't they including it?
> > > new battery $50
> Why? Is the current on not working?
> > > flush & fill (don't know what!) $60
> It would be nice to know. Never pay for anything that isn't
> spelled out!
> > > drum brake cylinders $125
> > >
> > > A few notes about some of these things. The clean
> and adjust
> > > was supposedly because the rear wheels spin too
> freely? He
> > > told us the shoes were supposed to be in very
> gentle contact
> > > with the drums, so the rear wheels stop after about
> 1.5 turns
> > > if he spins them gently by hand. Sounded weird,
> but okay.
> Sounds like BS to me. I can't think of any good reason to have
> the brake
> shoes rubbing slightly. The brakes self-adjust as necessary.
> > > He pulled back the dust covers of the brake
> cylinders and
> > > showed us fluid behind them. This supposedly means
> > > cylinders are leaking and need replacing. He
> reckoned these
> > > were wear parts and wouldn't be covered by warranty
> This is a common scam. A little fluid under the dust covers is
> If it's running out, that's a problem.
> > > As for everything else, what do you folks reckon
> could be
> > > performed by someone like me who's never done an
> ounce of auto
> > > maintenance in his life?
> See above.
> > > I take it the fuel additives would be pretty easy.
> Sure, just don't bother.
> > > And probably the chassis lube and battery.
> See above.
> > > Are spark plugs easy to replace?
> > > What else could I manage?
> > > Preferably things that don't need me to crawl under
> the car :D
> Since you're smiling, I take it you're not serious. DIY
> almost always requires some time on your back.
> > I just called my dealer who said the brake cylinders would
> be covered
> > under warranty but that fluid appearing behind the dust
> covers is
> > normal! Was my service technician lying??
> Probably. It looks to me that he took full advantage of the
> you gave him, rather than giving you an honest appraisal. I
> would not go
> back to him for anything, period, and I'd let him know why.
> Unfortunately, the car repair world is full of rip-off artists
> scammers. If you find an honest mechanic, consider yourself
> > The dealer also said the battery is warranted for three
> years, and the
> > fourth year pro-rated. good news!
> If you actually need one.
Thanks very much, Brian. Very useful information! :)
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