I did that when I was a kid!
As dangerous as it was, the memories of those summer nights in the back of the truck are great!
Barry
I did that when I was a kid!
As dangerous as it was, the memories of those summer nights in the back of the truck are great!
Barry
That is still legal up here last time I checked. It was a while back, but.
I called when I moved to this province and specifically asked about passengers in the back of my pickup truck and was told as long as they are sitting on the floor of the bed, it was still legal. They weren't allowed to sit on the wheel well.
I didn't ask about kids though, just passengers.
I have driven lots of times with no back seat in my CJ7 and a passenger sitting on the floor. I have been followed by cops while doing this and they didn't seem too worried about it. They didn't say anything....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
No offense intended - I love Wranglers - but they are not the safest vehicles on the road and with triplets he should get a different vehicle with better street handling and crash protection.
John Davies
I believe he paid about 500 total for the welding and all the harnes belts
John, no BS, insurance industry actuarial data shows the Wrangler actually "safer than average" in terms of occupant protection and "less expensive than average" to repair after an accident. They are heavier than most cars, have a stronger frame than most cars (especially since few cars have frames anymore), and have a stronger body than most cars.
The insurance website that actuarial information used to be on that I mentioned is, unfortunately, no longer online. But I referred people to it for several years when assuring them the Wrangler is a much safer vehicle than most would ever guess it to be. No jive, I was shocked myself when someone gave me the link to it. Too bad the link is dead now.
Jerry
John Davies wrote:
My insurance co. lists vehicles as "symbols" based on all kinds of data. My '99 dark green TJ Sport is quite a bit more expensive to insure than my 2005 Radar Red Toyota Tacoma V6 4x4 TRD Access Cab. The Jeep is even listed as a "non-cummuter".
The Jeep is two notches up the scale from the 4x4 Tacoma, and was even farther from a 2001 Subaru AWD Outback, which truly is a "safe" car.
So, if it's safer and cheaper to repair than average, it means I'm getting killed on liability.
You got that right, my CJ7 is half the cost of my Cherokee for the exact same coverage and they both are old beaters within 2 years of each other.
I have also see some crash test stuff on the Wrangler that put it right up there. Don't remember where, TV for sure.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
i fail to undertand why there is a problem. car seat in the passenger seat. two car seats in the back seat. mom behind the back seat, holding the groceries if necessary. situation under control. maybe THEN she'll understand why that new Unlimited is calling.
:-)
martin caskey millers island, maryland
That can't be right. The new chevy trucks come with a key that will allow the driver to disable the air bags allowing child seats in the front passenger. I understand that if you order a wrangler without a rear seat DC is required to put a similar switch in as well.
I've got such a switch in my Canadian '02 Sport, and it came with a back seat. The switch is handy for when I take my son along, leaving the back seat at home.
/Peter
Would the smokies in CA have issues with my 3 year old, in a car seat, in the front of my 83 CJ? No airbags to worry about.
Along that topic, a sad topic. A few years back in a parking lot not far from home. A mom had her kid in a car seat, in the front, and accidently ran over a parking baricade (the short 6" type). Well it set off the air bag and nearly decapitated her child. It was a tramatic event for sure, who would think that would ever happen to "them". Air bags and kids don't mix for sure, so don't get me wrong when I want to put my kid in the front of a CJ.
Sorry, I just don't buy that line. Maybe it's true compared to older cars without side airbags and modern crumple zone engineering.
There is no way an open vehicle with old technology can match a modern car with unibody and side airbags for opccupant protection.
I'm not saying the car would survive the hit better, but that the injuries of the folks inside will be significantly less. If I had triplets I would buy the safest car I could afford.
Wrangler:
I used to ride in my dad's '76 or so CJ that had a half top and bucket seats. I sat in the middle on top of a 5 gallon bucket. I would have been pretty hurt in an accident but all this s*it is based on 'what ifs.' As far as i'm concerned they can take their 'click it or ticket' and they can 'stick it and suck it'
No reason to piss all over everyone's parade just because it 'might' happen. Hell I ride my motorcycle with no seatbelt yet sitting inside a metal cage with airbags is less safe? C'mon...
Shawn
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