How to get three carseats in a Wrangler

Brilliant! I never thought of that.

Actually, I've shopped all the discounters, like Geico and Progressive and they are the same, or higher, once my home owner's discount is factored in. The '99 TJ Sport costs more for me to insure than a fully loaded '05 4x4 Taco.

Maybe it's a regional statistic thing?

This weekend, I'll pull out the declarations sheet and provide more details.

Barry

I feel compelled to say this about L.W.(ßill) Hughes III 's comments:

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Just because you've been fortunate enough to not have been involved in a crash doesn't mean you won't in the future. Have you seen those police chase shows where someone is t-boned at an intersection by a fleeing criminal? It doesn't matter how well the victim was driving. Accidents happen. It makes sense to be as protected as possible.

that's what happens when we get old enough that our children are having children. my daughter would have thought of that, but i was oblivious. i guess pops isn't going to be taking his grandaughter on any road trips until he learns the current rules.

;-)

L=2EW. Hughes III (=DFill) wrote:

John, all the engineering is meant to accommodate basic physics, which says that the greater mass wins. That's why the smaller vehicles, with their crumple zones & air bags, get totalled in accidents with larger vehicles that can be inexpensively patched up and put back on the road.

I get my insurance through the Credit Union. $651 per year for 300K coverage.

Nope - a typical unmodified Wrangler is around 3500 pounds. The typical compact sedan is around 3200 pounds, with the larger sedans pushing 4000 or more, so in reality they are pretty equally matched in mass.

Equal weights colliding, one with crumple zones and one with tub on a steel frame - guess which one is safer for the occupants? Add a lot of extra mass to one vehicle and yes, the equation changes. The truck I drive weighs 6000 pounds and has heavy offroad bumpers and yes, it will waste any little sedan that gets in the way..

This thread isn't about which vehicle survives a crash with less damage - it's about protecting newborn triplets.

Have you ever looked at pics of old wrecked cars? They had thick steel bodies, no crumple zones and no seat belts. Usually the front end was tweaked a little and the left side of the windshield is gone from the driver being thrown forward and killed. The cars were cheap to fix for the widows - they just had to hose out the blood and replace the glass ;(

John Davies

I had to chuckle when I read this - last summer my TJ was hit by a Ford F150, squarely on the driver's side front wheel. Fortunately it was a relatively low-speed crash (we both saw it coming and stood on the brakes), but it ended up doing $800 worth of damage to his front bumper, mount, etc. As for the Jeep... well, it needed an alignment, but it needed one before that, so... ;)

I was lucky. I am *extremely* well aware of that. But I still find it amusing. (BTW, since I was at fault for the accident, I gave him a check to get his truck repaired. =) )

Tirya

That top one is a Camaro isn't it ?

Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

must be missing the point - where does it say that ?

Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

I didn't see the bit where it says it was an import. Where were Camaros made ? They were a US design weren't they ?

My Subaru Outback actually outweighs my TJ.

Not to mention a high CG, if the crash is at any sort of angle.

With all of the impact force transmitted to the occupants, rather than absorbed by the vehicle.

Quebec Canada wasn't it?

/Peter

I really have no idea - I'd always assumed they were US built.