Out of 4wd Hard

My t/f case makes a god-awful racket if put 5th gear is engaged on tickover with the t/f case in neutral. Clearly, no good reason why you would want to do this ( I only discovered it by putting 2d in by accident and discovering the noise was surprising ). Although '99, it has only 23K miles on it, and has had the fluids changed regularly.

Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: : No. It is the extremely good traction that is binding the tcase that caused : this. : :

Approximately 10/3/03 15:39, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:

We usually avoid giving speeds in feet/hour on this side of the pond.....

Sometimes the drivers head does though

I just did this for the first time since I bought the Jeep. My guess is that it's been 2 years+ since it's been done. I locked the hubs and drove about a mile then engaged 4WD High for a while then 4WD Low. The *clunk* when engaging 4WD Low the first time was impressive. I switched between Low and High a few times and the *clunk* was gone. I think I need to do this more than every 2 years from now on :-)

Going between neutral and 4-LO can cause ulcers at times if a little gear grinding bothers you . Anything above a slow walk or trying it with an auto tranny makes it the luck of the draw whether it goes like silk or sounds like a teenager trying his first shift with a clutch. No synchros, just teeth being pushed into some notches. 2WD to 4HI is spec'd (for mine) as being at "any legal speed" while 4HI to

Morgan doesn't handle like a boat though :-)

"150 mph .. Requires optional W-rated tires."

wtf ?

Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: > The Rover 4.0 v8 (ex Buick) engined Morgan will do about 135, and the : > BMW powered 4.4 Aero will do 160. : >

: > -- : > Dave Milne, Scotland : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

it was the "required optional" bit I was laughing at.

Approximately 10/4/03 12:53, L.W.(ßill) Hughes III uttered for posterity:

M+S tires not rated? Geez, does this mean I need to go out and remove that obviously fallacious "S" rating from my Michelin M+S tires? And why are Continental, Michelin, Pirelli all allowed to label not only their M+S tires as "S" rated, but their hardcore severe winter tires as well? Send in the black helicopters.

Dimly recall that in the case of the Firestones, in addition to chronic underinflation, the 2 door Explorer was more likely to go rough side up. Not that I am any fan of Firestone tires or would even think of putting them on a kiddie scooter.

R rated tyres are good for 106 mph; I guess theoretically you can get 108 out of a TJ, but I haven't had mine above 90 (and then only once).

Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!

Approximately 10/4/03 15:32, L.W.(ßill) Hughes III uttered for posterity:

Ahhh, the light dawns. *Real* offroad tires don't have speed ratings. Oddly enough, I have heard good things about the Michelin AT and the Pirelli AT, both of which are available as S rated LT versions. Somehow the comprehension is more apprehension at this point.

Approximately 10/4/03 16:32, L.W.(ßill) Hughes III uttered for posterity:

Bill,

I think your reasoning is relative to your location.

When I lived in San Diego for a year the first rainfall (there was 3 rainstorms in that year) I saw the freeways slowdown to a crawl. Folks were driving like folks do in the northeast and canada in the most blinding blizzards (White outs, No visibility). I was silly enough to assume I could drive faster then everyone else, after all, it was only rain. I found myself sliding sideways at 60 MPH in a vega wagon! The freeways evidently don't get the mother nature car wash enough to keep the oil and grime off the roads. They truly are slippery when wet!

That said when it snows up here in New England it's very common to see folks doing 50-60 mph. Some are stupid SUV's thinking their invincible with no clue or care of how fast they cannot stop and what the other guy can and cannot do. I will drive those speeds if there's no traffic around with my AWD vehicles but not my Wrangler. With it's short wheelbase (not wheel base) it too easily comes around when one side encounters more resistance (snow or slush) than the other. Some folks counter well but I've seen many brave wranglers in snow banks or worse, guard rails, because of the simple laws of physics.

Speed and lack of traction (both driving and braking) deserve respect anywhere. Add to that, lack of visibility, stupid 4x4 soccer moms (and Dads) and it's directly proportional to the danger.

I do believe there are many times when 60 MPH in 4 wheel drive is totally feasible and necessary in some areas of the country with all due respect to the factors I mentioned above.

Cheers!

Perry

L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote: