Wait for 05 TJ or get an 04? Any Advice?

Really ? my wagoneer reminds me of a caddy - luxurious with vague handling !

Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

I'm just stunned at the juxstaposition of "brilliant" and "AMC" in the same sentence.

If you're looking for the SWB TJ, I'd get it now. Not sure if the're going to offer the electric lime green next year. Also, I haven't heard anything about the gearing on the 6 spd. Many people are hoping for a granny low gear, but no clear word yet on that. Then there's the inevitable problems found in the first year production of anything.

If you are looking at the LWB TJ, they should be coming out with the manual tranny in 05 as well as a Rubicon package (if rumors hold true) which would be great with a lift and some 35's.

just my $0.02

Chad

95 YJ RIP 02 TJ

I traded a '99 Land Rover Discovery for my '04 TJ. "Hey, honey. Let's trade the Rover for a smaller, bumpier, nosier, gas hogging...etc." You know the rest. I'm a dozen times happier about it too. I LOVE my TJ.

I write software. The first release of software is always "buggy". Better to get the third or fourth release. Enjoy the '04, save some money and wait 'til the kinks get worked out of the 6-speed by '08.

AMC was the enemy of good engineering.

By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.

Actually, I have an 89 Grand Wagoneer. It is rusting out down near the tank, so it is giving it's life(well its front doors and interior pieces) for my J10. But that said, it has character - I'm one of the few that liked the wood paneling on the side - and is fairly rugged. The 04 Grand Cherokee feels a little too plastic for my taste. I loved my 02 Sport, but never having owned a CJ, my most rugged jeep has been that J10. It is rusty as hell, but it is built like a tank and the 360 in it kicks a$$. I have had to fix a seal in the quadratrac, but otherwise, it has performed really well. It just looks like the wrath of God hit it. I used to drive an M715(probably tougher than my J10, but almost undrivable because of the gears) for a termite company my dad ran, so my wife thinks I need to get a little Cherokee and a CJ so I can say I have had all the major jeep models!

Mine came from the factory without wood, which is unusual I gather.

Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Not in this group.

Mostly we top post here, but sometimes a thread will last if short enough for a bottom post.

All the commercial newsreaders default to top posting these days and some of these threads get so long scrolling down means opening up page after page. Times have changed since the BB days...

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

RJ wrote:

didn't we just go through this a few weeks ago?????

Mines in pretty good nick really (1992). No visible rust.

you spot what's missing (and no it came from the factory like this !).In fact, I have to admit I am going to treat it nicely and never offroad it. Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ