Range Rover with LPG

It almost sounds as if the petrol is not running at all. Firstly is your RR fitted with "Injection Emulators" These are two (normally on a V8) black boxes with wires going to each of the injectors. If it is a conversion done within the last three years or so the cables terminate in plugs, remove the plugs from the injectors and replace with the original plugs. The Fuse should be removed from the gas system or the two wires to the solenoid valve and cut off valve on the vapouriser, thats the big aluminium lump and the brass solenoid. If you have no plugs on the injectors then it is a little more difficult, either the emulators are soldered into the individual injector lines or the injector earth has been cut at the ECU and a relay put in the line. Having removed the injection emulators and the fuse (will be on a red wire coming off the ignition circuit, usually positive on the coil and leading through the bulkhead to the gas switch) or removed the blue wires from the two valves, you have effectively removed the gas from the system. If the vehicle still does not start well, check the relay contacts on the two relays under the airfilter, they are bolted to the airfilter support. Still a problem? Go to the distributor and change the amplifier module. This is the little white block on the side of the distributor. Don't go near a RR dealer for this part as they charge an arm and a leg. It is the same module as fitted to an austin metro and is 50p from the scrappie. If you don't have emulators come back and we'll go further, but relaying out the injector earth can sometimes cause all sorts of problems on this model. Also, considering earths, check the earth point is OK on the engine to gearbox, you have to reach right over the engine and grovel around until you find it. Sorry can't go further at the moment. Except to say does the fuel pump run when you're cranking.

Robin

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ROBIN DUMPLETON
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Thanks for that.

I know of one company locally that repairs these vehicles LEG Motors, dont know if they have a website, my brother in law runs a small garage, i think ill let him look at it first, cheaper :).

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RR

Went out to start the RR this morning, had a look at the underside of the control unit inside the cab, it is a button, small black, pushing this and cranking the engine appears to start the motor on gas, much easier to start (engine cranks for maybe 5 secs before firing) and runs great.

I suppose i must now look at having the injectors checked over, can anyone suggest the best way to do this?, is it possible to just clean them out without having them refurbished, or are they cheap enough to replace with new units ?.

Thanks for all the help.

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RR

I am pretty sure it is, i started it on petrol, and it ran for maybe 5 or 6 seconds, did this maybe 5 times, removed the fuel pump relay under the seat and the engine refused to start , replaced the relay, and the engine fired again for a few seconds.

The installation looks quite old, i doubt it was fitted within the last 3 years.

The injectors appear to have original plugs connecting them, i will double check tomorrow.

I'm going to do this, the engine actually starts very well, almost immediatley on petrol, the damn thing just wont run for more than a few seconds. If i leave it ticking over the engine speed gradually decreases until the engine cuts, when warm this takes maybe 5 to 10 seconds. If i try to rev the engine it splutters and dies.

Ok, ill get one, and replace it.

Ill have a close look, and take some more photos of the engine bay, maybe someone will spot some relay or something that isnt factory standard.

Cant go further?, youve all been an enourmous help so far, i am very very grateful (sill dont run long on petrol tho :) ).

Think so, do you have a better way of checking than i did ?.

I think so

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RR

On or around 3 Sep 2004 13:51:39 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@englishrosetrading.com (RR) enlightened us thusly:

that sounds like the thing that senses the ignition, or a dodgy immobiliser, or possibly a dodgy ECU.

the fuel pump runs when you turn on to charge the system, then cuts out. when you fire up, the fuel pump is supposed to start again, the ECU senses that the engine is turning and supplies power to the fuel pump relay, which then operates continuously until you turn off or stall the engine.

If the fuel pump doesn't restart it'll run for a few seconds on the accumulated fuel in the system, before it drops the pressure. This is in fact how you depressurise the petrol system in order to work on it...

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Austin Shackles

when you are cranking the engine on the starter, that makes the fuel pump run, even though the engine isn't running (IYSWIM). It sounds as if the fuel pump is running when the starter is enganged and then stopping, as the pressure drops, the engine struggles then dies...

Sounds like something off in the wiring of the gas system, especially if you don't have injector emulators, that shuts off the fuel pump too soon.

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Simon Atkinson

Right, ill look for the wire going to the pump and see if it is possible to place a multimeter across the terminals to see if / when power is applied.

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RR

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