But if the question is - "where do I stop pushing and change up" - then I
> wouldn't wait until the rev limiter kicks in. Sure, you won't do too much
> damage, but it's more something you get a feel for driving the car, than
> something you should check out from the book. Unless for some reason you
> can't hear the engine.
>
> David
>
>
Couldn't agree more - often peak power/torque is developed before the red line - you can easily feel when the engine is past it's best - the Vectra
2.2dti (brill for a diesel) runs out of puff at about 3700rpm - quite a bit before the red line - no point in going higher!