Transplant 110 TD to 200 TDi

In message , Lee_D writes

I had n/a ex mil 90 and put in a 200TDi. The difference was quite amazing. Mine was out of a Defender and without the complication of auto box so was relatively straight forward. I am a fan of autos. Very tempted to have my current Defender converted but bit expensive.

Hugh Hi,

If you buy the complete Discovery you can remove all its bits (engine, autobox, Tbox, front and rear propshaft) and fit them straight to the Defender TD chassis.

You will need to fabricate a "saddle" so as to fit the autobox gearchange lever but this can be easily done some thin metal, plastic or plywood, preferably covered with some vinyl or leatherette or carpeting. You can also adopt the more expensive approach of fitting the type of center console Land Rover themselves have used for the 50th Anniversary Defenders. This console is available as a copy from Frogs Island or from Ashcroft. It is expensive, reduces the space at the front but it is extremely beautiful and also includes a pair of cupholders (LOL but it is true you get two "free" cupholders and a proper cubbybox and space for a CB or ICE unit.

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You can easily and free of any charge upgrade the 200Tdi engine so that you can regain the 10% loss on power and torque that results from the torque convertor stealing them from the engine when it is not in the "locked" condition (above 85 km/h and in fourth "gear")

If the autobox is in good condition I would suggest you fit it. It will TOTALLY transform you Defender into a much more entertaining and relaxing (yes relaxing for a Defender !!!) vehicle with even better offroading capabilities.

Take care Pantelis Giamarellos

In message , Pantelis Giamarellos writes

Lee, I think this was for you.

All noted, H'mmm tempting isn't it! I've had a '97 V8 ES Disco which was auto and a TD6 FFRR along with other non landrover autos and given the choice I'd go auto everyday. Only thing that sort of put me off is the losses in power may put me back to the kind of power the TD puts out currently on the manual box.

As it looks a shed to start with and doesn't come in a road worthy condition I'll probably look out for something I can be sure is top notch and pay a little more and go the auto route. Does anyone know if the props from the current box LT77 would be the right length.. are the transfer boxes the same distance between props?

As youngest starts school in September I need something otherthan basket weaving to keep my sanity.

;0)

Lee D

In message , Lee_D writes

I had a V8i Defender auto (50th Anniversary) for 10 years - brilliant. Can't help on the props - but you could perhaps get someone to check to see if their is a different part no for the 50th. On the subject of the 50th gearbox cover and cubby box, last time I asked (over a year ago) it was still available under a LR part no - but mega expensive. I just wanted a new lid. I can't remember the figures now but it was silly money even from an independent.

Yes the TD flywheel will fit a 200tdi, and you may as well use the flywheel housing off the TD as well (saves drilling out the threaded holes on the 200tdi one).

I think there may be a few clearance issues around the auto box as well.

I think so - a 200tdi isn't really powerful enough for running through an auto, let alone for towing.

On or around Tue, 7 Jun 2011 19:49:47 +0100, "Lee_D" enlightened us thusly:

just seen this... ain't there something about exhaust manifold differences and turbo mount positions?

In message , Austin Shackles writes

Yes

In article , Austin Shackles writes

Yes. I had mine done by a specialist. IIRC they cut and welded/repositioned the exhaust turbo outlet-to-exhaust tube and also cut the corner off the left hand footwell to give clearance. It's a bit tight round there.

One nuisance is that there's hardly any clearance between the exhaust manifold and the starter solenoid. It's not hot enough to do damage (you can't really fit the disco heatshield as there isn't room), but it's a real PITA to spanner. The main positive lead snapped off a while ago whilst I was away from home.. Thankfully it stayed in the rubber boot, but both the RAC chap and I had each a real struggle trying to get the cable refitted.

Further, because the TD isn't a turbo, you lose the oiled drum air filter, as it won't easily mount/fit in the space. I have a Snorkel with a filter, so it's not a problem.

I don't think the bellhousing is an issue, but the gear ratios don't give the same road speeds as the disco donor - more torque, less top speed.

All in all, the 200TDi is a great engine. Always starts first turn even in the coldest parts of winter, pulls well and is more economical than the TD. So far I've had no mechanical issues either.

HTH.

S.

errrr, are you sure the TD isnt a Turbo Diesel?

In article , Nige writes

No, I'm being stupid!

I missed the "i" (teach me not to check postings). It should've read:

"because the TDi isn't a turbo (TD), you lose the latter's oiled-drum air filter."

Sorry.